SE: Holding back information won't stop criticism, it will only delay it and is bad.

[Nedkel]

Heavensward bowmage says hi. 3.0 to 3.3 AST says hi. Useless Stormblood WHM Lilies say hi. Shadowbringers pre-buff Scholar says hi.

Gunbreaker would be a total disaster if they would not give us any info about the job before release.
Thanks to the players feedback this job functions now properly and it was quite successful tank for a long time played by a lot of people. In live letter SE team decided to giveaway detailed info and players quickly came into conclusion that it had too low damage and some stuff with deffensives was wrong as well. It would be the weakest tank in 5.0 if devs decided to not give any info about it beforehand.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Now for the biggest question about excluding balance adjustments from pre-lim patch notes; What was so bad in the balance adjustments that they had to exclude balance adjustments from pre-lims altogether?

5.2 PVE balance adjustments were so lackluster that they excluded all balance adjustments... not really surprised by this, just very annoyed and disappointed... Seriously 5.2 was the devs chance to prove that they actually care about fun in pre-lvl 50 PVE and they dropped the ball big time... so much for hoping to actually care about going back to old content as a tank and actually wanting to help new players, among other things...

Also I get to throw away all of my DRK weapons that mostly glamour anyways, including the PotD weapon, Anima Weapon, and Eureka Weapon because I'm not storage space on weapons for job/class that I no longer find fun anymore...

[Gula]

*steps over some bodies*

Y'all done?

[frostmagemari]

We can see now that the real reason they didn't want to let people know about changes ahead of time is because they did nothing and they had nothing. No issues were addressed for anyone, and SQEX didn't want to get called out on it and are hoping for people to be occupied for a few days and forget about the issues certain classes still have.

[Skivvy]

yeah! how DARE we complain to the company raking in money hand over fist from us!

Nowhere in my post did I state you shouldn't complain about things. I've been quite critical of this game over the years, and I've shared my thoughts plenty of times on the forums here. However, there is a way to have a proper discussion about criticisms you may have without coming off like a whiny brat. Another issue is that people far too often jump straight to the strawman (e.g. your response to my comment). Can't really do too much once it gets to that point.

Pre-patch details details are normally released about a week or so in advance. How much (valuable) input do you think SE can really garner and put to use in that time frame? How many times have they completely switched something out before the patch launches because of that feedback? Everyone will have plenty of time to share their thoughts, complaints, praises, etc. once the patch actually hits. Withholding skill-related changes for ~5 days isn't going to suddenly silence the playerbase.

[Deceptus]

We can see now that the real reason they didn't want to let people know about changes ahead of time is because they did nothing and they had nothing. No issues were addressed for anyone, and SQEX didn't want to get called out on it and are hoping for people to be occupied for a few days and forget about the issues certain classes still have.

Pretty much this. People aren't irritated at the changes, but the lack of them. Lots of jobs have issues that are being ignored.

[Rasikko]

Yoshida is right though - most people here start howling at the moon over job changes.

On the other hand I thought it was funny that they didn't do hardly anything to the jobs this patch and came off like RDM was gonna be the top DPS overall =p.

[FF16Necromancer]

:/ With the amount of outrage every time they balance the jobs I think this is needed.