Holy now a bannable spell.

[Floortank]

If you were following someone and spamming it, sure. Harassment it can be. But if you're standing in 1 spot, spamming holy... You aren't harassing anyone. They can walk away. They can turn your abilities off.

One person farting up a section of town with AOE spam should not dictate either A) where people can stand B) whether they get to see effects in town or not.

"TURN ABILITIES OFF" is a tool that is intended to cut down on the amount of things happening in a FATE or raid with a lot of actions and spells going off at once, not to mute the itinerant spammers and griefers of the game.

Maybe the person complaining actually wants to see people cast their spells in town, but would rather not have someone next to them cast the same spell over and over? Maybe they have a place right next to the summoning bell or the market board where they're working and the person spamming is right there? Asking a person with legitimate business to move away from a spammer is ridiculous and backwards.

Spamming, especially if asked not to, 100% deserves a ban. Be a good neighbor, not a childish griefer.

[DBriggs304]

me thinks there is much more to da story...

[TheUltimate3]

me thinks there is much more to da story...

I'm certain there is.

But that's probably a far less interesting tale.

[Nedkel]

Time to mass report those pesky crafters! They all spam chat with their abilities. XD

[Anzaman]

Time to mass report those pesky crafters! They all spam chat with their abilities. XD

I mean, yeah. If spamming one ability can result in ban, then should all other abilities count towards it too.

Any sort of visual or audial -effects from it, reports going out. :P

[Nethereal]

Oof.

I knew when I saw this post in discord there was going to be a thread like this. I'm only going to say my two cents based off of like 6 pages of this forum since it seems to be just back and forth.

First, what's with the shaming and assumptions that power is always just? "He already has one strike, he must be guilty/troublesome." Honestly what kind of npc do you have to be to think like that.

And the point of spamming a single ability? There is none, it's just to waste time. It's exactly the same as what we're doing right here right now, wasting time on something irrelevant.

Lastly, offense can only be taken not given. Your rights end where mine begin. You don't have a right to request that I do or stop anything when it doesn't effect you. You're not being forced to stay here or to endure anything that I may or may not do, be mature and move along.

[Vidu]

Oof.

I knew when I saw this post in discord there was going to be a thread like this. I'm only going to say my two cents based off of like 6 pages of this forum since it seems to be just back and forth.

First, what's with the shaming and assumptions that power is always just? "He already has one strike, he must be guilty/troublesome." Honestly what kind of npc do you have to be to think like that.

And the point of spamming a single ability? There is none, it's just to waste time. It's exactly the same as what we're doing right here right now, wasting time on something irrelevant.

Lastly, offense can only be taken not given. Your rights end where mine begin. You don't have a right to request that I do or stop anything when it doesn't effect you. You're not being forced to stay here or to endure anything that I may or may not do, be mature and move along.

In regards to the first point: The kind who believes that after being given a warning, consequences have to follow at some point - in this case he was given a warning to behave at somepoint, was potentially asked by other people to stop his holy spam and decided to stick to it anyways.

In regards to your other two points: Why does someone has to spam that ability in a crowded city, where people can have legit buisness - from dealings on the market to following quests to crafting close to a marketboard? If you just want to waste time, why cant you do that in a more remote location, where you can enjoy your holy-spam without inflicting it on others? Just teleport out of the city, walk a few steps and you'll find plenty of space where you can holy your heart out without annoying anyone.
I'm sorry, but spamming holy in a crowded city servers excatly one purpose: To annoy other people - otherwise any other place would serve just aswell, including a private chamber or apartment. But no one would see you there, right? That would be less fun, wouldnt it! This intent isnt very mature, assuming that you want people to leave by trying to drive them off with your holy-spam sounds outright malicious.

For the record: I have all effects but mine turned off or set to limited - mainly because of holy. That spell makes me physically sick by triggering terrible headaches. For a while I was just turning effects off whenever a WHM ended up in my party, but switching those on and off again became pretty annoying, so now they're off for good. My point here is: Turning off effects whil absolulty possible is also annoying. Just like the person who thinks they need to spam holy in a crowded place like Limsa when they could do it just a easly in the corner of a map where no one else is effected by it.
After all... all they want to do is pass the time, right? So it shouldnt matter where they spam.

[Saefinn]

As often with these cases, I expect there is a missing part to the story.

Let's say there were a group of RPers RPing and he went in to spam off loads of abilities and emotes to harass them for RPing, this would probably count and its something people do and I have reported people for doing it because it can interfere and people like trolling RPers because some people find the hobby to be weird, but it is a community this game supports.

Heck it could have been to harass somebody specifically.

That chat log does very little for context beyond telling us they were spamming an ability.

It is quite common with things like this that people post you only see a part of the picture and not the whole thing and often get reactionary responses. When you don't have the full picture /always/ take it with a pinch of salt.

[Bsrking5]

In regards to the first point: The kind who believes that after being given a warning, consequences have to follow at some point ...

After all... all they want to do is pass the time, right? So it shouldnt matter where they spam.

So just because someone gives a "warning" means it has to be followed?
I'm warning you to stop posting, it hurts my sensitive feelings...
GM interference should be the last option, not the first. There are clear and easy ways to deal with holy spell usage, for everywhere! Should you ban someone in a fate because they were using holy and you couldn't see, no but that's exactly what you are advocating for.

Why stop there thou, ban healers if they have to chain heal tanks to keep them alive, because that's spamming, they can go run squadrons or trust to heal them instead, why play with other people, it's just an MMO where it's one of the core fundamentals.

[Deceptus]

On the other hand, why defend spamming?

Because if light and sound bother you there are ways to turn both of those effects down in the options menu?