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  1. #701
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    They are all forms of expression. You appear to be okay with blocking the ones that are offensive to you, but want to control what other people are allowed to find offensive.
    Apples and oranges.
    One is putting together bits of clothing the devs have curated and are happy with which you'll only see while you're near each other, if it's really that much of an issue you can drop from the party, do runs with your FC, etc.
    Chat can be used to hound players in a completely free-form manner with few real barriers short of what's against the ToS and which would require GM intervention to stop without the blacklist feature.
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  2. #702
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    So you won't acknowledge that there are some people who dress in certain choices of attire and behave in certain ways with the specific purpose of harassment and riling up others? If that is okay and something we have to 'deal with', why can't the same be said about the /blist option in general?
    That is correct, I won't.

    There's a point where you just need to take a deep breath and learn how to cope with your thirst whilst staring at those glorious Male Roe buttocks
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  3. #703
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    That is correct, I won't.

    There's a point where you just need to take a deep breath and learn how to cope with your thirst whilst staring at those glorious Male Roe buttocks
    Quote Originally Posted by Sairys View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    One is putting together bits of clothing the devs have curated and are happy with which you'll only see while you're near each other, if it's really that much of an issue you can drop from the party, do runs with your FC, etc.
    Chat can be used to hound players in a completely free-form manner with few real barriers short of what's against the ToS and which would require GM intervention to stop without the blacklist feature.
    Huh. That is surprisingly intolerant. But I suppose there has been a lot of hypocrisy on display here in this thread.
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  4. #704
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    Forcing me to see your glam...isn't that a kind of "Expressions that compel a playing style"? I wan't my playing style to be communistic, everyone looks the same, but you are forcing your capitalist filth on me.
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  5. #705
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    Huh. That is surprisingly intolerant. But I suppose there has been a lot of hypocrisy on display here in this thread.
    All I'm seeing is buzzwords.

    Where's the content in this sandwich?
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  6. #706
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    It is so funny that some are trying to equate removing glams to a blacklist.

    You cannot harass someone with only clothes from a game. If you feel harassed by someone else's wardrobe, you need to do some serious self reflection. No one in this game can wear a t-shirt that says "lalafells suck" or "<player name> is a noob". You literally cannot harass by just wearing clothes in this game.

    A person could stand on top of you and emote spam or follow you around, but this would be annoying regardless of their wardrobe. The person's actions would be the harassment, not their clothing. SE may take a report of being consistently followed seriously, but the added detail of "they were in a pig suit" wouldn't matter in the slightest to them.

    Never mind how developing a blacklist feature is far cheaper, faster and easier than developing something that literally changes how every player looks. The cost of the option OP wants is astronomical compared to something that merely prevents bodies of text being seen.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 02-18-2020 at 08:58 AM.

  7. #707
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    All I'm seeing is buzzwords.

    Where's the content in this sandwich?
    You cannot see what I am trying to convey, even with the quotes? Fine, I'll lay it out. Many of the people here preach tolerance, while practicing intolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    It is so funny that some are trying to equate removing glams to a blacklist.

    You cannot harass someone with only clothes from a game. If you feel harassed by someone else's wardrobe, you need to do some serious self reflection. No one in this game can wear a t-shirt that says "lalafells suck" or "<player name> is a noob". You literally cannot harass by just wearing clothes in this game.

    A person could stand on top of you and emote spam or follow you around, but this would be annoying regardless of their wardrobe. The person's actions would be the harassment, not their clothing. SE may take a report of being consistently followed seriously, but the added detail of "they were in a pig suit" wouldn't matter in the slightest to them.
    I'm glad you can speak for everyone. Perhaps to some, especially someone who is quite religious, seeing a big Roe in a dress is more offensive than all the verbal blasphemies one could muster. Before you ask, no, I'm not deeply religious and think you can wear whatever you want. However, my mind is at least open enough to acknowledge that different people can have different preferences and things that offend them. Why is it okay for you to be offended by certain things but not okay for these people to have things they are offended by? Who are you to be the arbiter of what other people are allowed to be offended by?
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    Last edited by Zabuza; 02-18-2020 at 09:05 AM.

  8. #708
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriaFairchild View Post
    Forcing me to see your glam...isn't that a kind of "Expressions that compel a playing style"? I wan't my playing style to be communistic, everyone looks the same, but you are forcing your capitalist filth on me.
    No one is forcing anyone to look at anything, to be fair. People can either ignore it and move on...or make threads like this, which is silly at best. If I had made a thread for every time I saw a hulking male Roe in a subligar and a pig helmet this forum would be filled with threads daily, on the hour every hour. And I would look like a complete fool. Not the roe in a subligar and pig helmet. Me.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 02-18-2020 at 09:10 AM.

  9. #709
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    You cannot see what I am trying to convey, even with the quotes? Fine, I'll lay it out. Many of the people here preach tolerance, while practicing intolerance.
    And it still feels like you're banding it around like a buzzword when there's no meaning behind it.

    You could say that I'm intolerant towards two things within this thread.

    1) I'm firmly against something that will diminish the breadth and variety of people that one will 'experience' within this game

    2) And in turn the root of my objection here, I'm very firmly against anything that further encourages the dehumanisation and devaluation of other players where it is explicitly not warranted (aka /blist for spam or abuse reasons).

    If that makes me intolerant then that's a flag I'll proudly fly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    Seeing a big Roe in a dress is more offensive than all the verbal blasphemies one could muster.
    Ok yeah, this is getting a bit silly now. GLHF =(
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 02-18-2020 at 09:13 AM.
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  10. #710
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    No one is forcing anyone to look at anything, to be fair. People can either ignore it and move on...or make threads like this, which is silly at best. If I had made a thread for every time I saw a hulking male Roe in a subligar and a pig helmet this forum would be filled with threads daily, on the hour every hour. And I would look like a complete fool. Not the roe in a subligar and pig helmet. Me.
    I mean no one is forced to look at my monitor to see what I'm looking at, yet people are busybodies enough to care what I'm looking at lmao.
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    Last edited by AriaFairchild; 02-18-2020 at 09:21 AM.

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