It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SilverObi]

Wow this thread has gone off onto some interesting rails. I had no idea someone altering what my character looks like is actively erasure of my being and right to exist in a space, guess I better yell at my friends who use facial mods that they're destroying my freedom of expression because they happen to be changing miqo faces even though I have no clue if they actually are affecting my character in the first place.

Also just a minor detail with no great impact but with such a toggle option you could also "force" (whatever glam is the default then) glam onto chars and make screenshots with them. <think> Since it would be appropriate default gear it's not a big problem but still something. That would be something that affects other players when they share these screenshots which show your char with altered glam.

Just wanted to comment on this since it caught my eye, why would someone share a screenshot with an "affected" individual unless they already knew them in some manner? Random strangers screencapping my char don't share with me sadly so I'll never know to ask them... And if they do know them and don't like that their outfit was changed they can just I dunno ask them "hey take another with your filter off" or ask before taking the shot (like after a raid win) to avoid such a dilemma. But the first half of what you said is very true, it's a minor detail with no great impact. Just like proposing/discussing this likely-to-never-exist option.

Oh! A quick unrelated question, but is there a fanart thread/fanart section by any chance? I want to post some of my arts but I don't want to get in trouble if I were to make a new thread and it end up being in the incorrect forum section.

I suggest doing a forum search in GD using the keywords fanart or fan creation, I know we have a few floating around that people used to use although I think most people just put their stuff on reddit nowadays. And the only thing that would get you in trouble regarding fan art is if it was NSFW in some fashion but otherwise posting in General is considered fine.

[Penthea]

WJust wanted to comment on this since it caught my eye, why would someone share a screenshot with an "affected" individual unless they already knew them in some manner?

They might be a creep enjoying the short skirt unglamming revealed. Some people glam to avoid this kind of attention.

Not all combat gear looks like proper combat gear. The entire range of gear in Shisui is an example of this.

[SilverObi]

They might be a creep enjoying the short skirt unglamming revealed. Some people glam to avoid this kind of attention.

Not all combat gear looks like proper combat gear. The entire range of gear in Shisui is an example of this.

Well most people proposed that a glamour filter would put others in AF and as far as I can remember the only AF gear that could be considered racy is WHM's skirts/panties, DNC, and I guess maybe HW SMN and perhaps parts of BRD? Yes a creep might share a compromising screenshot with someone to harass them (as they can already do) you would report them. A creep that screenshots you and never tells you, well you never knew so how does it affect you?

[Penthea]

Well most people proposed that a glamour filter would put others in AF and as far as I can remember the only AF gear that could be considered racy is WHM's skirts/panties, DNC, and I guess maybe HW SMN and perhaps parts of BRD? Yes a creep might share a compromising screenshot with someone to harass them (as they can already do) you would report them. A creep that screenshots you and never tells you, well you never knew so how does it affect you?

How would you report them if the screenshot doesn't show who took it? If the screenshot only shows your character in unglammed gear you can't report it.

People can just paint over their name with ms paint to avoid accountability.

EDIT: and there is a difference between having a screenshot taken of you in gear you chose to glam into, and a screenshot of gear you chose to hide.

[SilverObi]

How would you report them if the screenshot doesn't show who took it? If the screenshot only shows your character in unglammed gear you can't report it.

I'm assuming if someone contacts you to share a screenshot, you get a name or handle of some manner since they contacted you. If however you mean you somehow find a screenshot online that someone took of you that's showing your char disrobed or in an outfit you personally feel doesn't express you or your char's personality you would raise grievances with the appropriate staff if such exist (like on a forum or a facebook group or something similar). But even then, it doesn't affect you unless people start harassing you due to said screenshot and again if they are contacting you ingame or on another platform you have text and names to report them to relevant people that can get rid of them.

[Penthea]

I'm assuming if someone contacts you to share a screenshot, you get a name or handle of some manner since they contacted you. If however you mean you somehow find a screenshot online that someone took of you that's showing your char disrobed or in an outfit you personally feel doesn't express you or your char's personality you would raise grievances with the appropriate staff if such exist (like on a forum or a facebook group or something similar). But even then, it doesn't affect you unless people start harassing you due to said screenshot and again if they are contacting you ingame or on another platform you have text and names to report them to relevant people that can get rid of them.

Don't under estimate what some creeps would do. If you have no idea then consider yourself lucky to have not encountered this sort of problem.

Lets not give a tool that allows creeps to see skimpy outfits people chose to hide. Why is this difficult to understand?

[SilverObi]

Don't under estimate what some creeps would do. If you have no idea then consider yourself lucky to have not encountered this sort of problem.

Lets not give a tool that allows creeps to see skimpy outfits people chose to hide. Why is this difficult to understand?

The game itself is a tool for creeps to get off on their fetishes. So... what do you propose we do with this tool? I mean I've had people send me random lewd tells or proposition me in other games and I ignore them but for all I know there may be screenshots of my char floating around in the aether that show her in a bad light of some sort but no one's acted on that toward me so it literally does not affect me. Unless they're thinking bad things about me but I can't police other's thoughts. Again how does this actively affect you that people -may- see you in whm AF and -may- be a creep and never tell you?

Right now my char profile would show her in dnc af, I main rdm and feel it doesn't really fit her (mainly cause miqo'te seem a lil too scrawny for outfits like that) but I'm not worrying that people think "oh look at that outfit she must be soooo easy" I'd only be concerned if they contacted me, in which case they get reported.

[Joven]

One thing I'd like to point out about public sharing on the internet that some people on here seem to be unaware of or ignoring completely: once you post something into a public space, be it Facebook, Twitter, W/E, that image is considered "public use". This means that I could take a picture you've posted of yourself and add captions to it, photoshop it, ETC. and repost it as much as I want. The only thing I can't do is claim the original image as my own.

[Iscah]

One thing I'd like to point out about public sharing on the internet that some people on here seem to be unaware of or ignoring completely: once you post something into a public space, be it Facebook, Twitter, W/E, that image is considered "public use". This means that I could take a picture you've posted of yourself and add captions to it, photoshop it, ETC. and repost it as much as I want. The only thing I can't do is claim the original image as my own.

Do you have a solid source for that claim? Not doubting you specifically, but I don't know where you've gotten this from and I'm not going to trust sourceless "legal information" that's been filtered through an unknown amount of People Making Stuff Up (or genuine misinterpretation of the actual laws) on the Internet.

Assuming the rule about images being public use is correct (and I'm not sure it would be), I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be some kind of counter-laws elsewhere about identity and copyright.

Also, sites like Facebook have clauses in their Terms of Use claiming a non-exclusive right to images you post. If those images simply become public use, there's nothing there for them to claim. They can just take it.

There's also the important question: whose law? The Internet is an international place.

More specifically for this game, usage of screenshots would come under the Materials Usage License, which specifies that all screenshots remain copyright of Square Enix and, if I'm reading it correctly, shouldn't be altered except possibly to combine it with other FFXIV screenshots.

Even if this apparent "public use" rule applies, Square Enix overrules it and retains the copyright and the right to tell you to take it down.

[Arillyn]

Even if this apparent "public use" rule applies, Square Enix overrules it and retains the copyright and the right to tell you to take it down.

This is correct. If something is copyrighted you cannot just use it anyway you want, no matter who owns the copyright. Even if you cite the original owner that does not give you the right to use it. There is fair use, but it's not as simple as "someone posted it on the internet so now I can use it however I want." There are various rules and legalities and you would want to be careful with how you use someone else's "creation" for a better word - be it a photo, artwork, etc. If someone decided to sue you for using something they posted you could lose that lawsuit, depending on how or why you were using it.