It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Dakuryon]

Not sure about others, but for me, this wasn't about glamour at all, even from the beginning. I just take great offense to people telling me what I can and can't do with my screen. Given that the images we're seeing on our screens are zeros and ones stored on our physical computers, you need a really good reason to deny me the freedoms to do what I want with those zeros and ones, because restricting those freedoms is basically saying "oh hey, you may not do x, y, and z with your ram" (which is where this temporary information is stored)

Good reasons include:

-Harassment. If I undress your character and post screenshots everywhere, then that's wrong.

-Gameplay balance. Cheat programs and trainers are bad. Reshade is tolerated.

-Harm to the game company. If I damage Square Enix's reputation or deny them money somehow, then that's bad.


...but if I'm not harming you and/or Square Enix in some way, you really have no right to tell me what I can and can't do.

I understand and 100% agree with you on that! Especially the harassment part --- that hit home for me, since it's happened to me before (it was on a different MMO; I'm still recovering from the emotional damages). I'd rather that nobody got harmed nor did harm unto others at all.

[Tlamila]

If I were you I wouldn't show screenshots of your modded characters on here, I'm pretty sure there are people on this forum who would report you for it since they hate mods for some reason.

It's even in his signature tbh

[3c-33]

Except if you couldn't lock your home people could just waltz in on you when you want privacy.

If you couldn't change someone's lighting you could literally just place light sources instead and achieve the same effect.

If you couldn't block someone then gil sellers would be bombarding you 24/7 with dms about their gil selling site and you couldn't do anything about it.

If you couldn't mute bard performances people can just play obnoxiously, and not just 1 person 5 or 6 people could do that.

If you couldn't turn off spell effects you wouldn't be able to see anything when doing hunts and would probably die to mechanics where you have to know where the front of the mob is.

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

The main takeaway I have from all that is those options remove something you don't like so you don't see it at all while disabling glamours is a modification of what you don't like which is where my issue is

Also one last point the only ones who own the pixels is SE no one on either side of the argument can claim them so any adjustments that can be made to characters are SE sole discretion to be as limiting as they want it so stuff like it's my game so I should choose to view things my way is wrong, it's SE's game your just payed the privilege to play it.

This is true, though I like to think SE gives some form of leeway over the legality on owning characters. While we really don't own our characters I'm sure they understand how people feel about how their own characters being personal to them and has probably been shown before.

The artists protections have basis in the fact that it IS art though. Someone in real life CAN take your picture, draw all over it and make word bubbles coming out of your mouth that say "lol I'm dumb!" and put it on their wall and you cannot do anything about it. Your likeness is only protected insofar as profit and public representation, not your video game avatar which by rights isn't actually yours anyway.

Does that make it okay? + see above

If you want the equivalent of muting someone then an option to replace their character with a placeholder model/gear/face should be fine right? Nothing of your creation is used, there is no possible way someone would link it visually to you other than being in that particular spot at that particular time, heck it could even replace your name with initials (as is an option right now) or a number.

Yes that would be more like actually blocking someone

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

If I were you I wouldn't show screenshots of your modded characters on here, I'm pretty sure there are people on this forum who would report you for it since they hate mods for some reason.

People post pictures of their character using reshade and all other sorts of mods on the "Show your (insert race here)!" Threads. But you're right in saying that someone could report it and he'd be in the wrong.

People are too in each other's business anymore these days.

[Dakuryon]

Nope, we gotta ban you and all the Au Ra people in the step. You all become default modeled midlanders. Enjoy your new feature! /s

But yeah, I'm excited for the new stuff! I always enjoy seeing new dungeons and trials so I'm most excited for those!

Oh no, please don't! We haven't done anything wrong! And I still need to propose to Magnai >:3c
Yassss the dungeons are what I'm most hyped for too!

Sidenote: Thanks to the ones informing me about modded screenies and stuff. I appreciate you guys looking out for me, so I'll edit my signature and previous post.
I don't want to get in trouble just for using a mix of cosmetic mods and Photoshop to make my pics look cleaner ;///;

[Ranaku]

Shhh, you have the right to remain silent!

[Ranaku]

Also just a minor detail with no great impact but with such a toggle option you could also "force" (whatever glam is the default then) glam onto chars and make screenshots with them. <think> Since it would be appropriate default gear it's not a big problem but still something. That would be something that affects other players when they share these screenshots which show your char with altered glam.

[Dakuryon]

Oh! A quick unrelated question, but is there a fanart thread/fanart section by any chance? I want to post some of my arts but I don't want to get in trouble if I were to make a new thread and it end up being in the incorrect forum section.

[Krotoan]

Does that make it okay? + see above

This means you should have no reasonable expectation of "preserving" your avatars likeness on other peoples computers. For all those people who say that people who don't like things and should just "deal with it" like real life.. well. this is one of those things.

Yes that would be more like actually blocking someone

I wouldn't have a problem with this implementation either as it achieves the desired effect of removing the unwanted imagery. This isn't about making any one person in particular wear a certain thing, it's just about them not appearing on your screen.

Also just a minor detail with no great impact but with such a toggle option you could also "force" (whatever glam is the default then) glam onto chars and make screenshots with them. <think> Since it would be appropriate default gear it's not a big problem but still something. That would be something that affects other players when they share these screenshots which show your char with altered glam.

This has been mentioned already.
you can already do this with mods or fantasia (duplicate someones character and make whatever screenshots you want) . If someone wishes to be malicious, official implementations aren't going to stop/enable them any more than it already is.

[SilverObi]

Wow this thread has gone off onto some interesting rails. I had no idea someone altering what my character looks like is actively erasure of my being and right to exist in a space, guess I better yell at my friends who use facial mods that they're destroying my freedom of expression because they happen to be changing miqo faces even though I have no clue if they actually are affecting my character in the first place.

Also just a minor detail with no great impact but with such a toggle option you could also "force" (whatever glam is the default then) glam onto chars and make screenshots with them. <think> Since it would be appropriate default gear it's not a big problem but still something. That would be something that affects other players when they share these screenshots which show your char with altered glam.

Just wanted to comment on this since it caught my eye, why would someone share a screenshot with an "affected" individual unless they already knew them in some manner? Random strangers screencapping my char don't share with me sadly so I'll never know to ask them... And if they do know them and don't like that their outfit was changed they can just I dunno ask them "hey take another with your filter off" or ask before taking the shot (like after a raid win) to avoid such a dilemma. But the first half of what you said is very true, it's a minor detail with no great impact. Just like proposing/discussing this likely-to-never-exist option.

Oh! A quick unrelated question, but is there a fanart thread/fanart section by any chance? I want to post some of my arts but I don't want to get in trouble if I were to make a new thread and it end up being in the incorrect forum section.

I suggest doing a forum search in GD using the keywords fanart or fan creation, I know we have a few floating around that people used to use although I think most people just put their stuff on reddit nowadays. And the only thing that would get you in trouble regarding fan art is if it was NSFW in some fashion but otherwise posting in General is considered fine.