It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[spf1200]

Nah, I don't think this is worth the dev team's time. If someone has a glam you don't like just deal with it.

It's a better use than umbrellas

[Bright-Flower]

It's a better use than umbrellas

I disagree. Umbrellas are giving people a new rp/aesthetic choice for their own character.

The proposal in this thread is to give an option to hide the choices of others from your view. In a MMORPG.

The first is of much greater value to add IMO.

[Theodric]

The proposal in this thread is to give an option to hide the choices of others from your view. In a MMORPG.

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

[Bright-Flower]

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

I didn't say it was restricting peoples freedoms. Just that I see less value in being given an option to hide other peoples choices than I do in giving people new choices/toys for their own characters.

My main reason for being against this is the dev time, and possible performance issues. Because additional code is going to need to be running whenever someone's character is rendered, to determine whether to show or hide the glamour. All for what, so people don't have to see the occasional joke glamour? And where do we go from there, do we also add the ability to hide all the people with ugly hair and face options so we don't have to see those too? Outlandish dye colors on gear that isn't glammed?

I'd much rather dev resources go into giving players new things for our own characters rather than putting time into features to shelter us from the choices of other peoples characters.

[Dogempire]

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

Except if you couldn't lock your home people could just waltz in on you when you want privacy.

If you couldn't change someone's lighting you could literally just place light sources instead and achieve the same effect.

If you couldn't block someone then gil sellers would be bombarding you 24/7 with dms about their gil selling site and you couldn't do anything about it.

If you couldn't mute bard performances people can just play obnoxiously, and not just 1 person 5 or 6 people could do that.

If you couldn't turn off spell effects you wouldn't be able to see anything when doing hunts and would probably die to mechanics where you have to know where the front of the mob is.

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

[Theodric]

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

In your opinion. Though as this thread proves, there's plenty of demand for such a feature to be implemented - and it's the sort of feature that doesn't need the permission of the targeted players as it doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever and the features listed in my previous post prove that there is an established precedent.

Luckily the development team are also well aware that they cannot simply cater to one particular type of player, so there's a decent chance that further toggles and restrictions on other players will be implemented over time. More options means more options across the board, not just when it suits someone to have a feature that they, specifically, enjoy.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Though as this thread proves, there's plenty of demand for such a feature to be implemented

But aren't the forums a vocal minority? Whose to say a vast majority of the players would even want this option to exist in the first place?

[Theodric]

But aren't the forums a vocal minority? Whose to say a vast majority of the players would even want this option to exist in the first place?

The game has a precedent for adding things that allow players to tweak the game to their liking. It also has a global audience and the desires of players across the board are not necessarily aligned or cohesive, so there is often a measure of give and take as well as compromising involved.

[Vahlnir]

But aren't the forums a vocal minority? Whose to say a vast majority of the players would even want this option to exist in the first place?

Yeah. This thread isn't a good indicator of any sizable demand or opposition. To some degree it is the same people posting repeatedly along with a few others chiming in every now and then. Just because there's 58 pages doesn't really mean much.

The game has a precedent for adding things that allow players to tweak the game to their liking. It also has a global audience and the desires of players across the board are not necessarily aligned or cohesive, so there is often a measure of give and take as well as compromising involved.

I'm sure that some people around the world want the exact same things, but this thread is the first I've ever heard of this...issue actually being an issue. And I've been around awhile!

[Penthea]

But aren't the forums a vocal minority? Whose to say a vast majority of the players would even want this option to exist in the first place?

There have always been sexy or ridiculous outfits in the game, and you can make any outfit look crazy with certain dye choices. I think that if there was a strong opposition against seeing other people glam like this we would have seen it begin several years ago. And we also would have seen a variety of threads pop up every so often, like we do when players are frustrated with the housing system or the lack of a parser. I spend a lot of time in the forums and up to now every thread I have seen complaining about glams has been relating to unlocking gendered outfits (maybe I missed others, I'm not omnipresent). The male bunny suit being the famous one.

I also think a lot of people who are in support of OP's option didn't think that in non-combat zones the option to turn off glam could have zero effect on players sharp enough to realise that if they just wear the gear of glam they intended to have, no one could remove their outfits. And they also didn't consider that a lot of combat gear is the opposite of being lore appropriate or being appropriate for the class the person is playing. Nevermind what a mess people can look like without glams due to mismatching gear.

Outfits that we may dislike seeing are here to stay whether we like it or not. OP's option isn't a fix for this at all. There is always a way around it, and the combat gear SE themselves design isn't guaranteed to be within their taste or standards.