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    Quote Originally Posted by Sairys View Post
    To me that line reads more like deflecting, the bikini option has been around for a while the thing that's happening now is the men in wedding dresses option which lines up with the "It's time" title of the thread.
    Next the op also frames anyone that reads their post this way as a "troglodyte" while almost defensively trying to deflect further by asserting that players wearing whatever they like breaks the "theme and feel" of a final fantasy game when really, particularly with the more modern installations, FF characters wear what suits them regardless of their role in the party.
    Some people having different tastes does not make them "troglodytes", its subjective and everyone likes and do not like different things, we have players from around the world and in some cultures a man wearing thongs or high heels is not appreciated to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Some people having different tastes does not make them "troglodytes", its subjective and everyone likes and do not like different things, we have players from around the world and in some cultures a man wearing thongs or high heels is not appreciated to say the least.
    You may need to re-read, the people being accused of being troglodytes are those read the OP as complaining about men wearing dresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    And that's why we'll never agree on that aspect of this discussion. You can't be for one form of choice while denying others.
    The two interpretations are mutually exclusive. You can't support both versions of whose choice is more important.



    Quote Originally Posted by SonKevin View Post
    What if they were to go back and design them so they are all truly gender neutral? We'll get rid of all of the women's versions of those items and keep them straight as the male version for every single one of them. That should solve your problem with this plan, right?
    Still would not be happy, no - there are things I don't want for either gender.



    (...and there goes my post limit.)


    Editing in this one response, but I won't keep doing it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Neither choice is "more important" than the other. The importance of each option is based squarely on the ones using them. The point is, why is it OK to have one but not the other?
    Because, as I said, they are mutually exclusive.

    If the choice should lie with the player over how their character appears, the viewer doesn't get a choice about how they see that character.

    If the choice should lie with the viewer over how they see the character, the player has no choice about how their character appears to that viewer.

    You cannot have both at once.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 02-17-2020 at 12:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The two interpretations are mutually exclusive. You can't support both versions of whose choice is more important.
    Neither choice is "more important" than the other. The importance of each option is based squarely on the ones using them. The point is, why is it OK to have one but not the other?
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