It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Penthea]

Please explain why I HAVE to see the choices you've made for yourself and how my not wanting to see these choices limits your own creativity and expression.

Let's say for example a player is a male person irl, and irl they like to wear clothing that would normally be considered for women. This fictional person's character is also male and dresses in the same manner.

By removing their glams, which may give them a more conventional appearance (note I say may, because if they have the Shisui gear equipped then that won't happen) you are removing their expression from your view.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people would find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

[Krotoan]

Let's say for example a player is a male person irl, and irl they like to wear clothing that would normally be considered for women. This fictional person's character is also male and dresses in the same manner.

By removing their glams, which may give them a more conventional appearance (note I say may, because if they have the Shisui gear equipped then that won't happen) you are removing their expression from your view.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people will find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

And what has this done to affect the players creativity or expression?

The player is able to present their image as they like and unless the hugely unlikely situation arrives in which not only do I stream my view, but it becomes popular enough to come back to that player AND they manage to identify themselves, they will NEVER know what I see. Considering I already don't wish to see someones chosen appearance I probably ALSO have their names on first initials only (already ingame) so the chances of any of your proposed "infraction of expression" coming back to the original player are astronomical.

This argument against this option borders on psychosis.

[Penthea]

And what has this done to affect the players creativity or expression?

I literally explained it to you.

[Krotoan]

I literally explained it to you.

You explained why you don't like it. I see nothing of limiting creativity or expression. You are still free to choose however you wish to display yourself. The only limitation this particular option imposes is that you cannot guarantee that absolutely everyone will have to see exactly what you see, which is already something that cannot be done.

[Penthea]

You explained why you don't like it. I see nothing of limiting creativity or expression. You are still free do choose however you wish to display yourself. The only limitation this particular option imposes is that you cannot guarantee that absolutely everyone will have to see exactly what you see, which is already something that cannot be done.

Here it is again considering you must have missed it.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people would find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

You might not care if your character appears in someone else's screenshot with your unglammed gear, but some other people would. For some people their characters are the only way they can express themselves, because we live in a society where acting outside the norm can get you shunned. By removing their glams you are effectively doing what society would prefer them to do irl.

And I'm pretty sure nothing I said here will even vaguely resonate with you, so I'm just going to look forward to your next post saying that disliking being seen in a way you didn't choose is somehow bordering on some manner of mental illness.

[3c-33]

Please explain why I HAVE to see the choices you've made for yourself and how my not wanting to see these choices limits your own creativity and expression.

You make this out to be a big deal just as much as I do on the other end. You also don't have to see anything. This is the exact same back and forth argument that doesn't take us anywhere

...and I'm a gay guy. Not that it particularly matters, since even if I consider my character to also be a partial reflection of myself in the fact that he, too, is gay...

It's a private matter irrelevant to people who do not know me. I wouldn't care at all if my glamour was replaced on somebody else's screen. It wouldn't be a personal attack upon my identity or sexuality.

I made the comparison because I can't just hide the fact I'm trans unless I perfectly pass and people take it upon themselves to impose upon me and call me something I very visibly don't identify with right down to the name. A better comparison would be like saying that some stranger wants to make it look like your partner is one of the opposite sex because it bothers them

This comparison is not equivalent to what is going on here. A more apt comparison would be if you asked someone if they could make all the bears look like humans in their eyes. Pretty sure the bears would not care in that situation. I really can't understand why this upsets you, as I would not even care if I looked like a naked male Mi'qote on someone else's screen. For me, I take issue with the fact that the people on your side wish to restrict the choice of other people on something that would do no harm to anyone.

My comparison is equating the fact that bears exist in the woods the way other players exist in mmos and I don't see why you would want to modify such an aspect of the game that would make others seem more like npcs than actual people, disregarding the entire "mmo" thing. This really just borders on being a thread about wanting this to be a single player game

[Theodric]

As mentioned earlier on in the thread it's ultimately a matter of give and take. More options for the game is something that goes both ways, not just one. It's pretty hypocritical for people to claim that they want to express themselves in-game but then turn around and insist that other players are not allowed to control what they see on their screen.

[SturmChurro]

Almost 33 pages! I thought Astrid winning was contentious, but this nonsensical topic is even more so. Please continue!

[Zabuza]

My comparison is equating the fact that bears exist in the woods the way other players exist in mmos and I don't see why you would want to modify such an aspect of the game that would make others seem more like npcs than actual people, disregarding the entire "mmo" thing. This really just borders on being a thread about wanting this to be a single player game

No one said they wanted this to be a single player game. You have obvious differences from an NPC in that you can type a variety of different words in response to the situation, as well as the player name over your head. I don't need to see someone wrapped in a frog suit to know when I am looking at a player.

[Penthea]

As mentioned earlier on in the thread it's ultimately a matter of give and take. More options for the game is something that goes both ways, not just one. It's pretty hypocritical for people to claim that they want to express themselves in-game but then turn around and insist that other players are not allowed to control what they see on their screen.

Yea it's a shame that just like real life we have to respect that other people make different decisions to us.