It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

Here we go again.

Please explain why I HAVE to see the choices you've made for yourself and how my not wanting to see these choices limits your own creativity and expression.

[Penthea]

Please explain why I HAVE to see the choices you've made for yourself and how my not wanting to see these choices limits your own creativity and expression.

Let's say for example a player is a male person irl, and irl they like to wear clothing that would normally be considered for women. This fictional person's character is also male and dresses in the same manner.

By removing their glams, which may give them a more conventional appearance (note I say may, because if they have the Shisui gear equipped then that won't happen) you are removing their expression from your view.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people would find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

[Krotoan]

Let's say for example a player is a male person irl, and irl they like to wear clothing that would normally be considered for women. This fictional person's character is also male and dresses in the same manner.

By removing their glams, which may give them a more conventional appearance (note I say may, because if they have the Shisui gear equipped then that won't happen) you are removing their expression from your view.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people will find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

And what has this done to affect the players creativity or expression?

The player is able to present their image as they like and unless the hugely unlikely situation arrives in which not only do I stream my view, but it becomes popular enough to come back to that player AND they manage to identify themselves, they will NEVER know what I see. Considering I already don't wish to see someones chosen appearance I probably ALSO have their names on first initials only (already ingame) so the chances of any of your proposed "infraction of expression" coming back to the original player are astronomical.

This argument against this option borders on psychosis.

[Penthea]

And what has this done to affect the players creativity or expression?

I literally explained it to you.

[Krotoan]

I literally explained it to you.

You explained why you don't like it. I see nothing of limiting creativity or expression. You are still free to choose however you wish to display yourself. The only limitation this particular option imposes is that you cannot guarantee that absolutely everyone will have to see exactly what you see, which is already something that cannot be done.

[Penthea]

You explained why you don't like it. I see nothing of limiting creativity or expression. You are still free do choose however you wish to display yourself. The only limitation this particular option imposes is that you cannot guarantee that absolutely everyone will have to see exactly what you see, which is already something that cannot be done.

Here it is again considering you must have missed it.

You may say "but only I can see it!" but people can take screenshots, and stream. And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Sure SE could take some measures to prevent screenshots, and maybe even streaming...but mods are also against the ToS and it's super easy to find screenshots that have been enhanced by mods. No matter what SE do, people would find a way to upload imagery of unglammed players.

You might not care if your character appears in someone else's screenshot with your unglammed gear, but some other people would. For some people their characters are the only way they can express themselves, because we live in a society where acting outside the norm can get you shunned. By removing their glams you are effectively doing what society would prefer them to do irl.

And I'm pretty sure nothing I said here will even vaguely resonate with you, so I'm just going to look forward to your next post saying that disliking being seen in a way you didn't choose is somehow bordering on some manner of mental illness.

[Krotoan]

And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Again, if someone wants to share imagery or screenshots with your altered character in it, be it by Mods or by outright photoshop, what can you do about it? As you are in what I would consider to be a relatively public space, the expectations of privacy and purity of representation should be minimal.

You might not care if your character appears in someone else's screenshot with your unglammed gear, but some other people would. For some people their characters are the only way they can express themselves, because we live in a society where acting outside the norm can get you shunned. By removing their glams you are effectively doing what society would prefer them to do irl.

My requesting an option to not see mascot headed, clashing color yokai weaponed, fishnet clad and giant armor chonk booted people has nothing to do with your "expression" and everything to do with how I want to experience the game. This isn't about the player wishing to censor others, just to maintain an experience and feel. I am not oppressing anyone if I change my personal perception. I am not requesting that anyone change their ways in any way, in fact if you read earlier you'd see that this might even unlock further customization and options as the excuse to limit job glams since it's "confusing" would disappear if you could generically represent jobs on your own screen for convenience. This option isn't about repressing or telling you that you're "wrong" for wanting to do something, it's about giving people options to customize their own experience.

And I'm pretty sure nothing I said here will even vaguely resonate with you, so I'm just going to look forward to your next post saying that disliking being seen in a way you didn't choose is somehow bordering on some manner of mental illness.

The example given that you're referring to is an infinitesimal chance upon an infinitesimal chance. It's like worrying about donating blood on the off chance that someone who receives a transfusion and then commits a crime and gets hurt leaves behind your DNA would get you arrested. If you find that a reasonable argument, I will tell you that yes, your grip on reality is shaky and your perceptions of actual statistical happenings are poor.

Disliking being seen in a way you don't choose is universally disliked, just look at all those memes out there about "Instagram Vs Facebook tagged" posts. People hate it. I get that. But you are likely represented in unfavorable ways just by people looking at you that you haven't even noticed making judgements about you that you will NEVER KNOW ABOUT. Dwelling on that and constantly worrying about it WILL make you insane and/or paranoid.


HOWEVER. We are speaking of a glamour in a game. While we can talk about it back and forth and get all offtopic about representation and acceptance and freedom of expression, the main point here is if I'm playing a video game I'd like as much control over my own experience as possible. If I can do this without perceptibly ruining anyone elses experience, it's awesome. This particular option only seems to bother people who cannot stand the idea of not completely controlling every aspect of how their character is displayed. Again something that is impossible to guarantee in any client based graphic representation of an MMO.


This option isn't to oppress but to allow a more customizable personal experience.

[Penthea]

Again, if someone wants to share imagery or screenshots with your altered character in it, be it by Mods or by outright photoshop, what can you do about it? As you are in what I would consider to be a relatively public space, the expectations of privacy and purity of representation should be minimal.

Okay, so the game is a public space.

What gives you the right to dictate how other people appear in a public space? And yes it would be exactly that if someone uploaded screenshots of someone with forced unglammed gear. That is literally changing someone's appearance, without their consent, in a public space.

[Krotoan]

Okay, so the game is a public space.

What gives you the right to dictate how other people appear in a public space? And yes it would be exactly that if someone uploaded screenshots of someone with forced unglammed gear. That is literally changing someone's appearance, without their consent, in a public space.

I have no right. I would also NOT be dictating how they would appear in a public space, only in my computer. As far as the server is concerned if anyone chose to load the given information they would see that persons "creativity". They would never know, I would never need to say anything, for all intents and purposes we would both be happy.