It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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I did not state that everyone had to abide by my standards. I certainly do not expect people to dress in a way that coincides with my preferences.

It's a bit difficult for me to keep track of who said what here given the length of this thread but when you talk about people waving things in your faces and all the hyperbolic descriptions of people's revealing clothing and stating that as your reasoning, it begins to imply otherwise.

The option that OP proposes still lets you wear whatever you like. You are the one who is arguing against letting people have this choice. None of your rights are taken away with this; and you say I have the victim complex.

Please tell me then, what your reasoning is for not having this be an option? I've seen two reasons given. 'Don't want devs to devote resources to this that could be used for something else.' I find that argument reasonable. The other argument is 'you're infringing on my self-expression', which is just a flowery way of saying you want to show off and be the center of attention. There have been several admissions from people that they don't want this option to exist because it then means not everyone would be able to see their clothing choices.

It's a bit baffling that people are bringing 'rights' into the argument. It's an incredibly deceptive argument and not even all that relevant - since nobody's rights are being infringed through the use of such a system. I'd suggest that those convinced of such reconsider their stance and priorities - it's not at all appropriate to equal an optional toggle in a video-game with the desecration of somebody's rights in the real world.

My issue arises when people frame this in a way where they go and insult other players for their appearance, call them gross while insisting everyone is out to get them by implying people actually run around rubbing it in when they don't. The actual concept in a vacuum of "I want everyone in AF gear as an option for me only in a dungeon" sounds far more reasonable than "I hate the way this person dresses so I feel I get to pick and choose how other people dress for me," which begins to follow bad trains of thought that happen in the real world.

I care far less about someone wanting to keep their immersion client side because they find frog suits jarring as opposed to someone thinking they're entitled to alter someone's appearance on the basis of judgemental insults which is where I begin to bring up the rights thing. I know I'm not going to alter my appearance irl on that basis the same way I'm not going to want to here either. You don't get to choose how other people appear to you just because you don't like it. That is what offends me.

So yeah, I can see why someone wanting this for their immersion is not a personal attack on their glamour. Not that I see why it's almost ever a big deal anyway. The biggest case of this is praetorium where you can literally get a giant moogle standing behind you during cutscenes, but come on, all the writing there is cringey anyway and there's bigger issues surrounding praetorium anyway, like the fact you're forced to sit through 45 minutes of cut scenes with other people. I don't think having said moogle actually pull the mobs in the dungeon is nearly as bad.

Now my reasons for not wanting it? Resources, self expression (it's not that deep), immersion breaking mismatched gear, it's already lore friendly (the path to rhalgrs reach literally has a giant boulder illusion in front of it to keep people out, and there's plenty of other areas where glamour is brought up in the msq.) People will work around it and run around in the glamour items themselves. Also, glamour is already a huge part of the game, not only is there glamour on the mogstation, but it would render making literally any of the armor in this game pointless. Why design an entirely new look for new dungeon gear if it's always gonna look like the AF gear anyway? Why create mogstation glamour if it's not getting used? It's backpeddaling.