It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Theodric]

Ah, I was wondering why some of the responses to this thread were so volatile. A certain Twitter blog devoted to taking posts out of context and stirring up outrage decided to target this thread with the usual deceptive approach, essentially encouraging followers of the blog to brigade it as a consequence.

I urge everybody to be very cautious, since the FFXIV Twitter crowd has a portion of very volatile individuals who like to band together to harass and send death threats to those who dare to post something that they dislike.

[Mordraug]

Some people: "I'd like to be able to turn off glamours as some people make theirs immersion breaking, it'd be on my client's side so only I would see the change".
Some other people: "REEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE BEING ENTITLED! LOOK AT MY GLAM! LOOK - AT - MY - GLAMS!!! MUH RIGHTS!"

Who needs a chill pill again? ^_^

[Knahli]

I only skimmed through this and I was a bit on the fence about it, not because I didn't think people should have the option if they so desired but because it would be a little sad that the personalisation aspect would be removed. With that said, if that's what's someone needed to enjoy the game then fair enough. People ask a lot when it comes to glamours, this seems like a fair request on the opposite side, and I understand that because, as someone who enjoys making and focusing on glamours, I realise and respect that people have varying tastes and I wouldn't want them to have their experience marred just because it might mean they don't see how my character actually looks. I can't imagine a more selfish thought than that.

How ardently some people have argued this has only rocketed me over to the side of supporting this. I can't begin to phrase how self centred and entitled it sounds to me to tell people to just effectively "deal with it" because everyone needs to see and appreciate their specific glamours.


As a side note, I admit I don't know the technicalities of this, but I honestly would have assumed such a feature would be client side, they'd just throw people into standard relic gear or similar and actually improve performance on the basis that they wouldn't need to retrieve each person's specific glamours with that setting enabled... but maybe I'm wrong.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Oh maybe because this is a forum and people can discuss whatever the hell they want? Quit your gatekeeping.

Lol gatekeeping. Whatever man. You're all incessantly arguing over nothing. There's no discussion. Just argument.

[SonKevin]

Use trusts lmao.

I personally do use trusts the first time I run a story dungeon so I don't break the immersion of the dungeon or the story.

[3c-33]

I did not state that everyone had to abide by my standards. I certainly do not expect people to dress in a way that coincides with my preferences.

It's a bit difficult for me to keep track of who said what here given the length of this thread but when you talk about people waving things in your faces and all the hyperbolic descriptions of people's revealing clothing and stating that as your reasoning, it begins to imply otherwise.

The option that OP proposes still lets you wear whatever you like. You are the one who is arguing against letting people have this choice. None of your rights are taken away with this; and you say I have the victim complex.

Please tell me then, what your reasoning is for not having this be an option? I've seen two reasons given. 'Don't want devs to devote resources to this that could be used for something else.' I find that argument reasonable. The other argument is 'you're infringing on my self-expression', which is just a flowery way of saying you want to show off and be the center of attention. There have been several admissions from people that they don't want this option to exist because it then means not everyone would be able to see their clothing choices.

It's a bit baffling that people are bringing 'rights' into the argument. It's an incredibly deceptive argument and not even all that relevant - since nobody's rights are being infringed through the use of such a system. I'd suggest that those convinced of such reconsider their stance and priorities - it's not at all appropriate to equal an optional toggle in a video-game with the desecration of somebody's rights in the real world.

My issue arises when people frame this in a way where they go and insult other players for their appearance, call them gross while insisting everyone is out to get them by implying people actually run around rubbing it in when they don't. The actual concept in a vacuum of "I want everyone in AF gear as an option for me only in a dungeon" sounds far more reasonable than "I hate the way this person dresses so I feel I get to pick and choose how other people dress for me," which begins to follow bad trains of thought that happen in the real world.

I care far less about someone wanting to keep their immersion client side because they find frog suits jarring as opposed to someone thinking they're entitled to alter someone's appearance on the basis of judgemental insults which is where I begin to bring up the rights thing. I know I'm not going to alter my appearance irl on that basis the same way I'm not going to want to here either. You don't get to choose how other people appear to you just because you don't like it. That is what offends me.

So yeah, I can see why someone wanting this for their immersion is not a personal attack on their glamour. Not that I see why it's almost ever a big deal anyway. The biggest case of this is praetorium where you can literally get a giant moogle standing behind you during cutscenes, but come on, all the writing there is cringey anyway and there's bigger issues surrounding praetorium anyway, like the fact you're forced to sit through 45 minutes of cut scenes with other people. I don't think having said moogle actually pull the mobs in the dungeon is nearly as bad.

Now my reasons for not wanting it? Resources, self expression (it's not that deep), immersion breaking mismatched gear, it's already lore friendly (the path to rhalgrs reach literally has a giant boulder illusion in front of it to keep people out, and there's plenty of other areas where glamour is brought up in the msq.) People will work around it and run around in the glamour items themselves. Also, glamour is already a huge part of the game, not only is there glamour on the mogstation, but it would render making literally any of the armor in this game pointless. Why design an entirely new look for new dungeon gear if it's always gonna look like the AF gear anyway? Why create mogstation glamour if it's not getting used? It's backpeddaling.

[Bravely_Default]

Again, I think if we cant have a toggle like this, than you shouldn't be able to block any sort of communication except by blacklisting somebody. Bards and limsa socialites should be free to express themselves as well, right?

[Zabuza]

It's a bit difficult for me to keep track of who said what here given the length of this thread but when you talk about people waving things in your faces and all the hyperbolic descriptions of people's revealing clothing and stating that as your reasoning, it begins to imply otherwise.





My issue arises when people frame this in a way where they go and insult other players for their appearance, call them gross while insisting everyone is out to get them by implying people actually run around rubbing it in when they don't. The actual concept in a vacuum of "I want everyone in AF gear as an option for me only in a dungeon" sounds far more reasonable than "I hate the way this person dresses so I feel I get to pick and choose how other people dress for me," which begins to follow bad trains of thought that happen in the real world.

I care far less about someone wanting to keep their immersion client side because they find frog suits jarring as opposed to someone thinking they're entitled to alter someone's appearance on the basis of judgemental insults which is where I begin to bring up the rights thing. I know I'm not going to alter my appearance irl on that basis the same way I'm not going to want to here either. You don't get to choose how other people appear to you just because you don't like it. That is what offends me.

So yeah, I can see why someone wanting this for their immersion is not a personal attack on their glamour. Not that I see why it's almost ever a big deal anyway. The biggest case of this is praetorium where you can literally get a giant moogle standing behind you during cutscenes, but come on, all the writing there is cringey anyway and there's bigger issues surrounding praetorium anyway, like the fact you're forced to sit through 45 minutes of cut scenes with other people. I don't think having said moogle actually pull the mobs in the dungeon is nearly as bad.

Now my reasons for not wanting it? Resources, self expression (it's not that deep), immersion breaking mismatched gear, it's already lore friendly (the path to rhalgrs reach literally has a giant boulder illusion in front of it to keep people out, and there's plenty of other areas where glamour is brought up in the msq.) People will work around it and run around in the glamour items themselves. Also, glamour is already a huge part of the game, not only is there glamour on the mogstation, but it would render making literally any of the armor in this game pointless. Why design an entirely new look for new dungeon gear if it's always gonna look like the AF gear anyway? Why create mogstation glamour if it's not getting used? It's backpeddaling.

You'll still see that same mogstation gear on yourself. Why does it matter to you if other people see it? Your desire for people to see your self-expression and have no choice but to see it, how is that not attention seeking? Also, you keep trying to frame it as if we would be forcing you to wear different clothing, when we would not. You would still be in the same outfit on your screen and would not even know if someone had toggled the option on for you. No one is forcing anything upon you.

[jon041065]

snip

Like the other poster said, there is an option in the PC version of XI that let's you toggle between dynamic/static appearance of player characters. This puts ALL PCs, including your own, into the appropriate starting race gear. You are right that's it does seem to be an option to boost performance of the game.

A similar option in this game would likely have a similar effect of increased or more stable fps.

I'd probably not use such an option but don't see the problem with it as well.

[DPZ2]

From a programming perspective, you are asking for development resources to produce a change that will satisfy everyone: don't want to see other people's glamour? Great, use our default! Forever.

It could be as simple as toggling a switch on or off, I suppose, provided that there was a single glamour for everyone as the default, perhaps the original clothing you wore when you started the game. Of course, it should apply to everyone, including the person flipping the switch. The entire world, wearing the same starting gear, with the default weapon. That would be pretty easy to program, right?

Asking for anything more than this most basic change would require more development resources than I think SE would be willing to pay for -- especially since they're still working through gear appearances on the two new character races.

<<sarcasm>>Since we appear to be asking for simple toggles for visuals in this game, I would like a toggle to turn every character I meet into a male Miqo'te. No more Viera or Hrothgar to bother me with their lack of hair styles. No more female Lallafel images on my screen.<<end sarcasm>>