It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Dan4077]

The addition of features such as Trusts strongly erodes the 'It's an MMO' argument. Plenty of players go through the game these days doing their own thing and avoid player interaction where possible. By your logic, Trusts should never have been added to the game.

Should the OP's suggestion be implemented into the game itself there would be some players who made use of it and others who do not - so you wouldn't be missing out at all. You'd still have the potential for people to admire your glamour (assuming they even noticed it in the first place).

Ultimately, it's a matter of compromising. Which is exactly what led to Trusts being added to the game.

That is utterly and completely wrong sir. Trusts were added to the game because of absolutely ridiculous que times.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

*Stares at OP's main's lodestone, where they're currently wearing a cutesy, yellow dress and Krile's hood as a PLD*
*sees they're part of what appears to be a glamour-based FC*
Something smells fishy here... >x>

Yes, I Co-lead a glamour based FC. We have glamour events often, and I love the galmour system.

When I mentioned "I know people who Glam dresses on guys and all of them, literally every single one of them does it to troll,' it's SPECIFICALLy, BECAUSE I lead a glamour based FC and people on my server know us to be fashionista. (So most people who are very serious about glam hang out with us)

I do not hate glamour. But I do hate that I cannot choose to hide player glamour, when so often player glamour is used to rile, upset and troll people.

PS, 99%of my glamour are other plate peices, you just so happy to see my profile when I was messing around with stuff. That does not change the facts that I love glamour, and also feel like I should be able to hide some people 'EXPRESSING' to the community they only want to be obnoxious.

[WhyAmIHere]

Yes, I Co-lead a glamour based FC. We have glamour events often, and I love the galmour system.

When I mentioned "I know people who Glam dresses on guys and all of them, literally every single one of them does it to troll,' it's SPECIFICALLy, BECAUSE I lead a glamour based FC and people on my server know us to be fashionista. (So most people who are very serious about glam hang out with us)

I do not hate glamour. But I do hate that I cannot choose to hide player glamour, when so often player glamour is used to rile, upset and troll people.

PS, 99%of my glamour are other plate peices, you just so happy to see my profile when I was messing around with stuff. That does not change the facts that I love glamour, and also feel like I should be able to hide some people 'EXPRESSING' to the community they only want to be obnoxious.

So, anecdotally to you, people who have garrish and gaudy glamour do so solely to rile and entice a reaction from others? And because of this you want to request a system that undermines any effort people have in expressing and displaying such things for others to see based solely on the notion that a small percentage of others are ruining it for everyone else?

Like I get what you're asking, but...

[kujoestars]

I would say that glamours aren't "canon" in the sense that, unless it's a quest/class related piece of gear, no character reacts to what you're wearing. If you roll up in a man-kini and Namazu head no NPC exclaims something like "what an...interesting outfit you've chosen." Just because it's a side quest doesn't make it part of the world as a whole. It's a grey area of existing within the game, but only as something as a game function, not as a world function.

And most NPCs don’t react to what species you are so I can traipse all over Eorzea as a giant purple lizardman with no one so much as batting an eye despite the fact Auri are almost never seen in Eorzea. Even factoring in Au Ra not being in ARR, the fact Yugiri was trying to minimize showing her actual species still says a lot about how unusual it is.

It is exceedingly rare to have race acknowledged period, whether it’s logical or not (Raen and majority of Xaela NPCs treat PCs the same as any other race, even though logically with the latter at least there should be some familiarity but apparently there’s only 2 or 3 that give special dialogue to Xaela players). As such, the only reason NPCs don’t react to completely silly glams is simply because how the heck would you even code recognition of ridiculous glams? Actually, try defining “ridiculous glams” to a parser of all things. It’s not worth the effort to code in and so NPCs are blind to it.

No one comments on Jandelaine’s more major changes either even though Aesthetician is definitely canon. No one’s going to comment on what you did to your hair (even if it’s the giant pomp in some crazy color) or any facial plastic surgery you do.

I stand by that glamours are canon simply because they are at least somewhat acknowledged just like Jandelaine is acknowledged. I actually like that this game incorporated them into lore instead of simply making them “just is” like WoW’s transmog system. “NPCs don’t react at all” is very poor argument because they never respond to anything that involves customization period.

And ironically, by your exact same comment, you supported my argument here because if you were hypothetically wearing the actual mankini with a Namazu head, they still aren’t going to react even though you are actually wearing a ridiculous outfit. And yes, the mascot suits are canon considering we have NPCs that wear them. >.>;

[Dan4077]

I am of the stance of live and let live. To me, you are going against that stance by stating people absolutely have to see your glamour and you are opposed to them having any choice to the contrary.

By that logic you can run outside and change someones clothes for them because you don't like it. Childish to say the least. A massive world encompasses all types of people even ones you also hate sadly. Whether they be cross dressers, furries or w.e. These type of people exist everywhere. square decided that they would now to be portrayed and you are upset about it. Plus I am not forcing anyone to "look" at me. If you hate it so much leave. If it bothers you in your dungeon use trust, or find like minded individuals These are choices you just are too stubborn to use. If you are going to try to block everything you hate, I'd say you need to evaluate you choice in game genres.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

So, anecdotally to you, people who have garrish and gaudy glamour do so solely to rile and entice a reaction from others? And because of this you want to request a system that undermines any effort people have in expressing and displaying such things for others to see based solely on the notion that a small percentage of others are ruining it for everyone else?

Like I get what you're asking, but...

No. I'm saying that myself, and everyone else, should be able to click a glamour filter and disable glamour if someone is wearing something abrasive, or using glamour only to instigate angst. Just like the profanity filter, if your 'Expressing yourself' is offensive to me, I should be able to protect my gameplay experience (Be it immersion or a desire to not be trolled) with a filter option.

You also imply that anecdotal evidence is somehow invalid. This isn't a topic with an empirical measure. No one can present anything other than anecdotal evidence.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

By that logic you can run outside and change someones clothes for them because you don't like it. Childish to say the least. A massive world encompasses all types of people even ones you also hate sadly. Whether they be cross dressers, furries or w.e. These type of people exist everywhere. square decided that they would now to be portrayed and you are upset about it. Plus I am not forcing anyone to "look" at me. If you hate it so much leave. If it bothers you in your dungeon use trust, or find like minded individuals These are choices you just are too stubborn to use. If you are going to try to block everything you hate, I'd say you need to evaluate you choice in game genres.

Well. Votekick is also an option. Might need to start giving it a try

[Zabuza]

By that logic you can run outside and change someones clothes for them because you don't like it. Childish to say the least. A massive world encompasses all types of people even ones you also hate sadly. Whether they be cross dressers, furries or w.e. These type of people exist everywhere. square decided that they would now to be portrayed and you are upset about it. Plus I am not forcing anyone to "look" at me. If you hate it so much leave. If it bothers you in your dungeon use trust, or find like minded individuals These are choices you just are too stubborn to use. If you are going to try to block everything you hate, I'd say you need to evaluate you choice in game genres.

In RL I could look away from you or walk away. In the game I may be forced to do a dungeon with you and look upon you. I guess the crux of it again is, obviously this feature is not possible in RL, but an MMO is all about player choices is it not? We can't turn on the profanity filter to silence someone IRL either, but we can do it here. I still don't see how it hurts you just because you can't display your glamour choice for every single person in the game.

[Dan4077]

Well. Votekick is also an option. Might need to start giving it a try

Yeah, so is the report button. Also the statement right before kicking that states you must have a valid reason to kick someone or it is a punishable offence. Though I understand your frustration. You can't argue the fact so instead try to retort with a snarky comeback that comes off mediocre at best.

[linay]

Considering that the glamour system is part of the lore, there is no inappropriate gear as far as lore is concerned.

As for the request itself, I'm neutral on it, but there might be technical reasons why SE won't do it.