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  1. #391
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    I am kinda like that with DRK too. DRK was my chosen tank in HW and SB, whilst it feels smoother and more streamlined, it's much less interesting. I get the same with WAR and they almost feel like the same job, yet am having good fun with PLD and GNB, PLD I think has improved with time and that's something I praise them for.

    But DRK was kind of a testament to one of my arguments on job complexity & difficulty in this game, that it should be tiered. DRK was harder to master versus WAR or PLD, especially in HW where they were very heavy on resource management, but that kind of thing is why DRK was fun to play.

    I recall DRK being considered squishy on release but as people learned to play it, it was less so. Whilst I don't feel as bad playing DRK and WAR as I do healers, I still kinda enjoy them, but much less than I used to.
    This is something I still hate they moved away from. There was never anything wrong with having slightly less accessible jobs due to them requiring more experience from the player. If you wanted an easier tank or healer, you had Paladin and White Mage, respectively. For those looking to have a bit more complexity in their job of choice, you had Dark Knight and Astro.

    Now it boils down mostly to aesthetic—or in the case of Astro, a job feeling entirely cumbersome while its counterparts achieve the same results for half the effort.
    (14)
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  2. #392
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    Fukuro's Avatar
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    Oneiron Fuchs
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    i have been a healer main since 2.0 and yes, i actually stopped my sub and followed the story through youtube. healers just are lackluster atm. not engaging in any way.
    recently refreshed my sub and started getting on dancer, even though im still approaching different types dps. (bard and mch seem to be pretty interesting too)
    it‘ll be the first expansion where i‘ll be lvling a dps to max... this has never happened in any mmo i‘ve played before.
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  3. #393
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    This is something I still hate they moved away from. There was never anything wrong with having slightly less accessible jobs due to them requiring more experience from the player. If you wanted an easier tank or healer, you had Paladin and White Mage, respectively. For those looking to have a bit more complexity in their job of choice, you had Dark Knight and Astro.

    Now it boils down mostly to aesthetic—or in the case of Astro, a job feeling entirely cumbersome while its counterparts achieve the same results for half the effort.
    While I agree that complexity should matter, DRK's [Dark Arts] complexity [Dark Arts] wasn't [Dark Arts] all [Dark Arts] that [Dark Arts] it was cracked up to be.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  4. #394
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    While I agree that complexity should matter, DRK's [Dark Arts] complexity [Dark Arts] wasn't [Dark Arts] all [Dark Arts] that [Dark Arts] it was cracked up to be.
    I was referring to Heavensward Dark Knight when Dark Arts wasn't the meme it became in Stormblood.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  5. #395
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    It's now 5.2 and nope, still haven't quit healing.
    (0)

  6. #396
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    Loki Vanheim
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    Spriggan
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I'm main sch since the job is available and it's the first time i'm so undecided about the set of gears i should take first...my sch or my rdm or something else.

    I feel so bored as healer that i don't play it a lot since 5.0 but i'm a healer in soul v.v what should i do, idk.

    And the fact SE just doesn't care about the hundreds of posts we have posted since 5.0 concerning healers situation just pisses me off. We don't know their plans, i'm not sure they have even one with all this mess.

    They just prefer to avoid the subject :

    (7)

  7. #397
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 100
    They have ruined SCH and AST in PVE, and ruined healing in PVP. I have almost no reason to log in anymore. I haven't even logged in to download or play the patch from Tuesday.
    (7)
    Player : フェアリーのミラプリも作ってるんですか?
    (Any plan on Fairies glamour?)
    Yoshi'p Sampo: フェアリーはエギではないので、予定がないです。残念ながら。
    (Since Fairies aren't Egi so, No.)

  8. #398
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I wanted to go AST since its the healer that gets to do something interesting during downtime, but my Co Healer also wanted to go AST. She was bored out of her mind with the WHM gameplay and I decided to give her the opportunity to change.

    Now I am stuck with SCH. WHM had big dps numbers and AST has big Rdps. With SCH I feel I barely contribute to anything. Healing feels less and less interesting to me.

    I am not sure I will get to the end of this savage tier.
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  9. #399
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    Corbeau's Avatar
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    Cam Ember
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Giving SCH another try for the 5.2 raids. It's been okay-ish at minimum ilevel for the fights, since nobody has any real gear yet.
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  10. #400
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    Jade3173's Avatar
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    Character
    Ayis Luola
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 80
    I only have SCH maxed out of the 3 healers now. Was WHM way back in ARR, played AST through all of HW and the later half of SB since BRD felt really cool and always enjoyed the idea of that class. Now though I'm a DNC, I heal with Curing Waltz. Take my SCH into things randomly when the healing itch needs a scratch, but it's certainly not a role I really enjoy anymore. Been feeling that way for awhile with all the "green DPS" jokes that are far to accurate and have more or less accepted that healers will never really be healers in anything but progression (which I don't do) and the really bad runs you randomly get.

    So I sub for story, play as my DNC since it's as support as I can get as a DPS, then wait till my sub runs out and do it all again next patch is more or less the plan now. Maybe 5.25 relic quest will get me to stick around more since I enjoyed doing those in the past, not 4.X but the others, but given that I don't really know much about that content, I'm not hopeful.
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