Prepulling mobs as healer

[Yrahv]

It’s kinda rude however to just start pulling for the tank with no attempt to communicate first.

This. Always ask; never assume. It doesn’t matter if you feel that there will be no repercussions to pulling more than the tank. You may feel that you are only doing it maximizing efficiency, but when you take it upon yourself to do more than what your group consents to, then your actions come across as overbearing, overzealous, and rude

[SamRF]

I would at least attempt talking to the tank first. Tell the tank you're good with them pulling more, that you can keep them up easy. If they still refuse to pull more, and the dps ALSO want to do bigger pulls, and you can keep everyone up then I guess go for it. (If the dps also prefer smaller pulls and you're outvoted then I guess just deal with it.)

It's kinda rude however to just start pulling for the tank with no attempt to communicate first.

This. Always ask; never assume. It doesn’t matter if you feel that there will be no repercussions to pulling more than the tank. You may feel that you are only doing it maximizing efficiency, but when you take it upon yourself to do more than what your group consents to, then your actions come across as overbearing, overzealous, and rude

Why do I need consent from the group if I'm the healer and I don't risk a wipe at all and I'm keeping everyone alive? Tank also doesn't need to ask consent to pull more, sure it's their job, but there seems to be less hard feelings when tank overpulls and causes a wipe (not completely sure about that one actually). While I'm literally not risking anything and making the dungeon progress faster. Maybe you should change your mentality towards the game if you consider that rude?

You can also say I should change my mentality for not seeing it as rude, but then I'd say consider that what I'm doing is increasing efficiency, which is the whole point of the tank/healer/dps role conventions in the first place: to do do dungeons in most efficient manner. You could for example let dps take all enmity and let tank just dps, but that's not the convention because it wouldn't be efficient.

Thus I would say there's no point in abiding by the convention in a situation when it's obviously not the most efficient path forward. And for that reason it shouldn't be seen as rude imo.

[Yrahv]

Why do I need consent from the group if I'm the healer and I don't risk a wipe at all and I'm keeping everyone alive?

My answer to that question was given in the second part of my post.

Tank also doesn't need to ask consent to pull more, sure it's their job, but there seems to be less hard feelings when tank overpulls and causes a wipe (not completely sure about that one actually).

I do not agree with that at all. An overbearing tank who pulls wall to wall without bothering to ask if his healer can keep up is no better than an overbearing healer who takes it upon himself to pull more when the tank is more comfortable pulling less.

Efficiency is one thing. Common courtesy is another.

[SamRF]

My answer to that question was given in the second part of my post.

You're also ignoring the other part of my post, which clarifies the question.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You're also ignoring the other part of my post, which clarifies the question.

You are ignoring a very specific part of everything. The human behind the game. Like, I hate slow dungeon runs as much as the next person, but I'm not going to be a jerk and pull mobs to the tank.

If they aren't comfortable pulling more, or aren't up to it, or whatever the reason is? That doesn't give you the right to pull ahead just because you are bored. Either go tank yourself, leave those instances, or find a friend to tank for you.

[Yrahv]

You're also ignoring the other part of my post, which clarifies the question.

I didn’t ignore it. Your argument is that what you are doing is merely increasing efficiency and you are asking why people are getting offended by it.

My response is that it doesn’t matter what you are doing for the sake of efficiency. Few individuals appreciate unsolicited assistance. Your intent is irrelevant. The response to your actions will most often be negative.

[SamRF]

I didn’t ignore it. Your argument is that what you are doing is merely increasing efficiency and you are asking why people are getting offended by it.

My response is that it doesn’t matter what you are doing for the sake of efficiency. Few individuals appreciate unsolicited assistance. Your intent is irrelevant. The response to your actions will most often be negative.

My main reason for doing it isn't even efficiency, but boredom. I use efficiency as argument for why there's no reason to be upset.

As healer, it's not always efficiency that is your biggest concern, but rather boredom. It already tends to get kind of boring to be spamming 1 dps all the time and getting everything done without GCD's (most content nowadays). It's even worse when you barely even have to use oGCD's. Maybe people should keep in mind and have respect for the fact that when there's no healing needs, healers have literally nothing else to do beside spamming 1 dps button. They don't have an engaging dps rotation like tanks and dps.

[Elladie]

OP, you are the embodiment of the reason I don't queue in DF anymore.

[Bright-Flower]

Why do I need consent from the group if I'm the healer and I don't risk a wipe at all and I'm keeping everyone alive? Tank also doesn't need to ask consent to pull more, sure it's their job, but there seems to be less hard feelings when tank overpulls and causes a wipe (not completely sure about that one actually). While I'm literally not risking anything and making the dungeon progress faster. Maybe you should change your mentality towards the game if you consider that rude?

You can also say I should change my mentality for not seeing it as rude, but then I'd say consider that what I'm doing is increasing efficiency, which is the whole point of the tank/healer/dps role conventions in the first place: to do do dungeons in most efficient manner. You could for example let dps take all enmity and let tank just dps, but that's not the convention because it wouldn't be efficient.

Thus I would say there's no point in abiding by the convention in a situation when it's obviously not the most efficient path forward. And for that reason it shouldn't be seen as rude imo.

Not everyone is going in with the mind set of 'MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.' If you want to pull more, just ask. It's a party, communicate. If you want max efficiency regardless of what the rest of the party wants form a premade because you're not going to always get that with randoms.

[AngelCheese77]

Why do I need consent from the group if I'm the healer and I don't risk a wipe at all and I'm keeping everyone alive?

Didn't know you were the only person in a group. because AFAIK, a group is of 4 people, or 8, or 24. And those people work together. having one person go against what others are doing causes more problems than anything.

Preposterous, I know, but some of us are here to have fun, not grind every dungeon down to the last millisecond of effeciency. If you want to do that, I suggest making a premade party.

If I was a tank, I would ask you once to not do that. If you continued, I would eat the penalty and go fishing.

And yes, there have been times where I have healed for a group who did what you explain (the DPS pulled more), and either it was too much for the tank who couldn't handle it, the tank D/C'ed, or lord knows what else.