Ast cards 6.0 rework

[Crushnight]

Rai_Takara you are correct the healers are most balanced they have ever been at this time.

And that is a problem.

How do you deal with the Asts complaints about
-cards and divination being underwhelming that you need a 3rd party illegal tool to see how much they do
-controller issues
-Sleece draw

You cannot take personal damage away due to people complaining (5.1 buffs only buffed personal damage for Ast and is the reason Ast now highest rDPS healer)

Controller issues require either targeting system or card system reworked(this could just be adding a few skills or reworking a couple of them) either is expansion level work


Sleeve Draw would still need to give the same amount of cards or the same amount of potential dmg up.

The devs unintentionally pigeonholed themselves with their balance because increasing Ast(remember people were scared whm was too high, now Ast is higher) would result in tanks and whm and sch needing buffs. Now your looking at 7 jobs rather than 1.

It being a perfectly balanced system is a hindrance to improvements across the board as any minor tweak if there is a prominent complaint(I purposely picked the ones that can still use current card system but are talked about a lot) could shatter that balance horribly.

[Seraphor]

Frankly I don't know why Sleeve Draw gives you three draws. You only need three seals for a Divination, therefore if Sleeve only gave you two extra Draws, then you use Draw first, then Sleeve, and you've got your three cards/seals.

[Lastelli]

Frankly I don't know why Sleeve Draw gives you three draws. You only need three seals for a Divination, therefore if Sleeve only gave you two extra Draws, then you use Draw first, then Sleeve, and you've got your three cards/seals.

You'd actually only need one extra draw, since you can draw before the pull and wait for the cd.

[Seraphor]

You'd actually only need one extra draw, since you can draw before the pull and wait for the cd.

Well they don't want people doing that, so two would make the most sense.

[Rai_Takara]

At what cost? Satisfaction? Unique game play? There are so many issues still to be handled to this day but I won't go into detail with that can be easily noticeable with all the threads created. RDM was still suffering even with 5.0, and don't get me started on BRD's song utility. If they manage to come up with fixes to all these concerns from now to next expansion then I might agree with you but the fact remains jobs being balance isn't everything to people.

Cost being loss of unique job strengths and weaknesses at the gain of being able to play any job you want and being competitive. Hence when RDM gets buffed, hopefully it does comparable damage to the other two casters. I also think BRD needs to be buffed single target damage while nerfing its multi dot/target damage to put it in line with the other ranged.

I used to be cynical with SE on game balance after seeing how brokenly powerful some jobs were for the longest time. However, this time they are paying attention to balance and things seem better than before. Here's hoping that's the case and it's not a fluke that balance is good right now.

Rai_Takara you are correct the healers are most balanced they have ever been at this time.

And that is a problem.

How do you deal with the Asts complaints about
-cards and divination being underwhelming that you need a 3rd party illegal tool to see how much they do
-controller issues
-Sleece draw

You cannot take personal damage away due to people complaining (5.1 buffs only buffed personal damage for Ast and is the reason Ast now highest rDPS healer)

Controller issues require either targeting system or card system reworked(this could just be adding a few skills or reworking a couple of them) either is expansion level work


Sleeve Draw would still need to give the same amount of cards or the same amount of potential dmg up.

The devs unintentionally pigeonholed themselves with their balance because increasing Ast(remember people were scared whm was too high, now Ast is higher) would result in tanks and whm and sch needing buffs. Now your looking at 7 jobs rather than 1.

It being a perfectly balanced system is a hindrance to improvements across the board as any minor tweak if there is a prominent complaint(I purposely picked the ones that can still use current card system but are talked about a lot) could shatter that balance horribly.

Some jobs do naturally higher dps and all jobs have predictable burst phases, no 3rd party tool required.

Controller issues I agree with, but I blame sleeve draw. I personally think sleeve should fill up the remaining seals with different ones.

[MitsukiKimura]

Cost being loss of unique job strengths and weaknesses at the gain of being able to play any job you want and being competitive. Hence when RDM gets buffed, hopefully it does comparable damage to the other two casters. I also think BRD needs to be buffed single target damage while nerfing its multi dot/target damage to put it in line with the other ranged.

I used to be cynical with SE on game balance after seeing how brokenly powerful some jobs were for the longest time. However, this time they are paying attention to balance and things seem better than before. Here's hoping that's the case and it's not a fluke that balance is good right now.



Some jobs do naturally higher dps and all jobs have predictable burst phases, no 3rd party tool required.

Controller issues I agree with, but I blame sleeve draw. I personally think sleeve should fill up the remaining seals with different ones.

I still believe classes should be unique while not having to suffer its identity for it. Also that wouldn't fix sleeve draw, that would only fix the fishing problem during the burst part for the opening. AST needs a complete rework of the card system, regardless of how long it takes.

[Rai_Takara]

I still believe classes should be unique while not having to suffer its identity for it. Also that wouldn't fix sleeve draw, that would only fix the fishing problem during the burst part for the opening. AST needs a complete rework of the card system, regardless of how long it takes.

It would fix the issue with having to rapid fire cards, and free up lightspeed for movement and QoL versus exclusively for sleeve draw.

Classes can feel different and unique, but not at the cost of balance, lest we decide just make certain jobs nonviable (especially with this community where if a job isn't within x% then it's barred from PFs and pretty much undesired from serious endgame content).

[MitsukiKimura]

It would fix the issue with having to rapid fire cards, and free up lightspeed for movement and QoL versus exclusively for sleeve draw.

Classes can feel different and unique, but not at the cost of balance, lest we decide just make certain jobs nonviable (especially with this community where if a job isn't within x% then it's barred from PFs and pretty much undesired from serious endgame content).

Not really because with how AST MP management system which you should know isn't great, you need to use it off Cooldown mostly , and you will already have 3 seals in the 6 cards you draw before your next sleeve draw burst. Class can still have their identity while being balanced, you put forth effort and time into it.

[Rai_Takara]

Not really because with how AST MP management system which you should know isn't great, you need to use it off Cooldown mostly , and you will already have 3 seals in the 6 cards you draw before your next sleeve draw burst. Class can still have their identity while being balanced, you put forth effort and time into it.

That's the next thing to sort, MP. Remove mp reduction off lightspeed and make It a 60 sec cd thats purely there for movement. As for sleeve, it means you can play more lords and ladies when divination lines up with 3 min cds/bursts.

There was a good idea I heard where you get MP back for placing the right cards on people. Say balance/spear/arrow/lord to a melee and vice versa. Would encourage proper play and is similar to the idea of MP on draw but with some focus on playing the cards.

[Mansion]

There was a good idea I heard where you get MP back for placing the right cards on people. Say balance/spear/arrow/lord to a melee and vice versa. Would encourage proper play and is similar to the idea of MP on draw but with some focus on playing the cards.

Even a basic +300 / 500 MP on Draw would be cool, because it would weave the card system in the job's flow (like Aetherflow and Assize do).