SE: Holding back information won't stop criticism, it will only delay it and is bad.

[Vaer]

I'd like something like the developer notes that other games have that explain the reasoning behind balance changes since they (hopefully) talk at length about these behind the scenes anyway.

Other than that withholding information probably doesn't help that much since they probably aren't going to bother changing their minds even if people give feedback when it is 2 weeks or less of time left so you might as well just release them.

Might even be helpful if people decide to change main jobs and it gives those that decide to switch a bit of time to prepare in advance.

[Gula]

Why would you even care when most of the english feedback is going into the trash bin anyway? Did they listened to gnb complains on sound? Nope
Did they listened on healers complains of oversimplifying dps? Nope
So why bother

Last I checked the sound was changed less than 2 weeks after launch because of people complaining.

[Deceptus]

Why would you even care when most of the english feedback is going into the trash bin anyway? Did they listened to gnb complains on sound? Nope
Did they listened on healers complains of oversimplifying dps? Nope
So why bother

Because if enough people voice their opinions against what SE thinks is the "best course moving forward" they have been known to change.

Hello, Producer and Director Yoshi-P here. Patch 4.3 brought major changes to the Need/Greed system in alliance raids, and we received a lot of feedback from players around the world. After careful consideration, we have decided to revert those changes and bring back the Need option. This will take effect from the next hotfix and includes all alliance raids.

We hope you continue to give us your feedback on your experiences in the world of FINAL FANTASY XIV!

Announced in Mid April, implemented in Late May, and had to reverse course in June shortly after implementation because of massive backlash.

[MistakeNot]

Why would you even care when most of the english feedback is going into the trash bin anyway? Did they listened to gnb complains on sound? Nope
Did they listened on healers complains of oversimplifying dps? Nope
So why bother

They listen, be sure of that. But that doesn't mean they agree with all player complaints.
In fact I have a feeling that in many cases the developers know how they want various jobs to be played, and aren't very interested in how players think they should be played.

But it is true that letting people know about changes early wouldn't be helpful.
Few if any complaints about changes have been acted upon before going live in the past in the past, so it seems unlikely they will in the future.
So telling people about changes in advance will just mean that much longer time for complaining - and nothing else.

[Schan]

Because if enough people voice their opinions against what SE thinks is the "best course moving forward" they have been known to change.

Although due to the nature of recieving feedback that probably means they need to filter the complaints, compile them, make a report on it, give it to the devs, devs need to investigate and see if they agree and then maybe figure out a solution for on it then implement it. Basically it takes FOREEEEVEEERR

I completely understand their stance though. I don't like it but I see where it's coming from. You people might point out that the community is right when it comes to healers but the community is not always right. No one is always right. Certainly not the community and certainly not the devs. We're all human here.

There's also the fact that the community is also not just one person. It's a bunch of different people who love the game but have different visions for what is best for it which can generate a lot of contradicting information if the opposing sides are loud enough.

I like to think they try their best with the information they are provided. I also think Yoshi P should force one of the job devs to play only healer but hey I'm just one voice in the crowd lol.

[3ureka]

4.0 WHM (useless Lilies) / SCH (Abysmal) / MCH / DRK (and monk a bit).

I cri.

I don't have a particular stance on how soon/late SE releases patch information, but I'm not sure a 2 week sprint is enough to incorporate whatever changes are voiced from community feedback. If I had to choose, I'd say sooner is the better option; better to just rip off the band-aid.

[QT_Melon]

The problem is there is a lot noise interferring with the signal.

The need/greed changes was a simple enough fix.

Job balance, not so much. Not everyone will be on the same page, and boy on a lot of these discussions are there a lot of pages.

Just out of interest in the game and fellow players I don't like seeing info held back.

However, if the community can't figure out a very good way to filter the noise it's just always going to be an issue of devs not listening.

[linay]

Because if enough people voice their opinions against what SE thinks is the "best course moving forward" they have been known to change.



Announced in Mid April, implemented in Late May, and had to reverse course in June shortly after implementation because of massive backlash.

Yes, but there's nothing wrong with waiting until after implementation to listen to feedback as FFXIV is not a fixed game and can be patched.

[CrimsonGunner]

Yes, but there's nothing wrong with waiting until after implementation to listen to feedback as FFXIV is not a fixed game and can be patched.

if they listen, so far their track record isn't encouraging also some of those changes were pre warned but as proven those changes were still implemented and then reverted not only due to feedback but because that implementation had major repercussion that the devs ignore.
another thing is all those reasons u give SE for that decision are just plain excuses to justify that the act which is basically SE shaking off its community and try to avoid giving answers to.
no other mmo game declared to its community "listen we are going to do updates and we wont let u know what it is , just know we are doing it" like SE did at that LL which i find more disrespecting to the community since its almost means "we don't care about your feedbacks" especially since some of the changes SE done appear like they weren't truly tested.

[linay]

if they listen, so far their track record isn't encouraging also some of those changes were pre warned but as proven those changes were still implemented and then reverted not only due to feedback but because that implementation had major repercussion that the devs ignore.

That's their prerogative. They don't have to listen to all feedback, and if the end result is that the game has more negatives than positives to you, you also don't have to play their game. They will try to respond positively to whatever they can, but nothing is guaranteed.

It also doesn't help that, when they respond positively to a certain feedback (someone requested umbrella), the community would try to blame that for why they may respond negatively in other types of feedback. In the end, they'll do what they want and you can do what you want. It's a balancing act.

another thing is all those reasons u give SE for that decision are just plain excuses to justify that the act which is basically SE shaking off its community and try to avoid giving answers to.
no other mmo game declared to its community "listen we are going to do updates and we wont let u know what it is , just know we are doing it" like SE did at that LL which i find more disrespecting to the community since its almost means "we don't care about your feedbacks" especially since some of the changes SE done appear like they weren't truly tested.

Except they will let you know what the updates are, in the patch notes.