Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Penthea]

It's not one of the major requirement. It IS the major requirement in how FFXIV's encounter are designed. The only interaction with the boss is through DPS in the current design (one only needs to look at how the GNB is designed..). All mechanics are only hoops placed on your way to prevent you from DPSing.

So what you're saying is in addition to dps doing the mechanics properly is a requirement. Glad we agree.

[Thamorian]

So what you're saying is in addition to dps doing the mechanics properly is a requirement. Glad we agree.

Not who you are responding to but I'll respond for them. I don't see anyone disagreeing that doing mechanics is a requirement. In Extreme Trials/Savage raids/etc, if you don't do mechanics properly, you die, If you die, you are doing zero DPS. If you get rezzed, you got resurrection sickness and doing less damage. Don't do enough damage, you hit enrage. But at the same time, even if you do all mechanics properly and don't die at all, if your overall party DPS is still to low, you will still hit enrage and wipe. It's not fun spending several hours on the same fight only to keep wiping and/or keep hitting enrage. End game content is designed so that tanks and healers also need to contribute as much as they can to DPSing.

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Separate comment: Honestly, how many people have run into toxic people you know were using a DPS parser? Forums acts like it's a widespread issue when it's not. Same with toxic mentors. Both are not a widespread issue in FF14. In other MMOs, sure, but not so much in FF14.

[Anienai]

Separate comment: Honestly, how many people have run into toxic people you know were using a DPS parser? Forums acts like it's a widespread issue when it's not. Same with toxic mentors. Both are not a widespread issue in FF14. In other MMOs, sure, but not so much in FF14.

You should give Twitch a visit and watch the chat channel when someone is doing low dps. It only takes a viewer or 6 sending /tells to trigger a person.

[Thamorian]

You should give Twitch a visit and watch the chat channel when someone is doing low dps. It only takes a viewer or 6 sending /tells to trigger a person.

Ok, thats twitch though, even if they are streaming FF14, thats still not in game where you see if. If you never see or hear it, does it matter? If a tree falls in the woods and no is around, does it make a sound? By far the vast majority of interactions in game are either neutral or polite. If someone does send a nasty /tell to you in game, you can always report it. I don't watch twitch streams, so I would have to ask, how common is harassment /tells from twitch viewers? I know there was that one banned person recently because they were talking crap about someone's DPS with a DPS meter on their stream but thats first time I've heard of something like that happening since I started playing 7 years ago and I play A LOT.

[Angus-Beef]

Ok, thats twitch though, even if they are streaming FF14, thats still not in game where you see if. If you never see or hear it, does it matter? If a tree falls in the woods and no is around, does it make a sound? By far the vast majority of interactions in game are either neutral or polite.

I feel a lot of people take on others feelings and situations more so then their own.

[xxvaynxx]

I feel a lot of people take on others feelings and situations more so then their own.

Its called empathy.

Ok, thats twitch though, even if they are streaming FF14, thats still not in game where you see if. If you never see or hear it, does it matter? If a tree falls in the woods and no is around, does it make a sound? By far the vast majority of interactions in game are either neutral or polite. If someone does send a nasty /tell to you in game, you can always report it. I don't watch twitch streams, so I would have to ask, how common is harassment /tells from twitch viewers? I know there was that one banned person recently because they were talking crap about someone's DPS with a DPS meter on their stream but thats first time I've heard of something like that happening since I started playing 7 years ago and I play A LOT.

Just because YOU don't see it, its ok? because that's what I'm getting out of what you're saying. One of the worst things to say. I can say a lot regarding that but I'll leave it be as there is no place for it.
Also you thinking interactions in game are only natural and polite is laughable. You're coming off as very ignorant and reporting isn't always the answer to everything.

[Thamorian]

Its called empathy.


Just because YOU don't see it, its ok? because that's what I'm getting out of what you're saying. One of the worst things to say. I can say a lot regarding that but I'll leave it be as there is no place for it.
Also you thinking interactions in game are only natural and polite is laughable. You're coming off as very ignorant and reporting isn't always the answer to everything.

Ok, and what do you expect to be done about twitch streamer audience regardless if there is a DPS meter or not? And how many toxic twitch streamers are there for FF14 with a decent size audience? Very few if any. If they are making nasty remarks and it stays contained on twitch and doesn't bleed into the game, and you never hear about it, is it affecting you? Kinda hard to get mad about something if you're not even aware you are being talked about.

And please, point out where I said interactions in game are only neutral or polite, implying negative interactions never happen. Come on, I'm waiting... Please point out where I used the word "only". Oh, you can't, because I didn't. You just put words into my mouth. I said "By far the vast majority of interactions in game are either neutral or polite." And yes, most interactions by far are neutral, and there are a lot more polite interactions than negative. How many dungeons are run daily where the only words spoken are Hello and Tyfp? Seems like a pretty neutral interaction there. Oh wait, that's toxic because they mostly ignored each other and refused to talk to each other. Got a new healer or tank that lets you know they are new? Most people says OK and slows down. Ah crap, never mind, that's toxic too. Party must think new player is a slow dolt who is terrible and they have to handle with the kids gloves. Extreme trial/Savage raid not going well and people leave or party disbands? most of the time people don't say anything and just leave a party that isn't clearing. That's a neutral interaction. Sure you get that one person who complains about how bad the party is, but that's not that common, as again, most people leave the party. Ah dag nabbit! I did it again. People leaving a failing EX/Savage party are obviously the most TOXIC of them all. How dare they not stick around to carry the low performers! THE AUDACITY.

You act like there is rampant toxicity in this game. Reality check: It isn't. And I only say report them because people in these threads demand SE take action. What do you suppose they should do? Call the local police and tell them how toxic the toxic person is being? Personally, I rarely report, even when I do run into someone really rude. Data centers are large. Chances I'll see someone again is extremely small, so small it's practically a zero percent chance I'll see them again. If anything, I blacklist and move on with my day. But if you are experiencing a lot toxicity in this game, a lot more than other people, well there's only one common denominator for those situations, and it's YOU. Maybe you need to ask yourself, why am I experiencing a lot of toxicity, and think long and hard about it. You want to call me ignorant? Please. don't make me laugh. You are the one coming off as extremely ignorant.

And yes, this post is sarcastically facetious, because I figure you would need help getting that.

[Anienai]

I don't watch twitch streams, so I would have to ask, how common is harassment /tells from twitch viewers? I know there was that one banned person recently because they were talking crap about someone's DPS with a DPS meter on their stream but thats first time I've heard of something like that happening since I started playing 7 years ago and I play A LOT.

Its not League or Wow toxic, but a streamer could have 30-400 viewers and it only takes a jerk or two ruin someone experience.

[Angus-Beef]

Separate comment: Honestly, how many people have run into toxic people you know were using a DPS parser? Forums acts like it's a widespread issue when it's not. Same with toxic mentors. Both are not a widespread issue in FF14. In other MMOs, sure, but not so much in FF14.

Honestly, I RARELY run into anyone talking about parsing in FFs community, I PF a lot in my spare time, I run dungeons, Its rare to see people talking about 3rd party anything........I think a lot of people on FF are a little too busy on twitter and the forums over the actual game itself. And even in the case you do meet someone outright breaking the ToS and admitting to it in game.......You can...report them? Like literally if they admit to Parsing you and calling to bad, they literally earned a 10 day, the GMs who deal with player Harassment respond in like 10-20 min max, and they investigate after you give your side of the situation, you can even provide pics.

Its a bit baffling to see people talk so much about toxic players, but as someone who prefers to report over argue, I know from experience that GMs are very quick to reply and fix any harassment based situation, from PF to Alliance raids, to roulettes. If you're not reporting an obvious jerk whos breaking ToS to shame you, you're part of this *massive* issue we're apparently dealing with.

And to the OP, You missed Yoshi Ps point, its not about Meters, its about cheaters, those who move markers with a program over learning how to do it manually, and those who give the proteans in TEA Telegraphs(they're not supposed to have any) Those are the people who hes speaking on, the Plug ins to ACT he doesnt agree with.

That being said, the average player who cares about improving ones self doesn't speak on their parser.

All in All, if YOU(the people who will read this) have a problem with people parsing/not parsing, make your own FC/LS/Community/Discord server with people who have similar mindsets and keep it to yourself. Does that solve the problem now?