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    Some CON Questions

    Hi all,

    CON is my main and only job but I realize I that I really don't have a good grasp on how it works. Was hoping some of you could answer some questions I have about the class. I know a lot of these may seem stupid or are things I should already know, but I figured "he who asks a question looks foolish for a minute...". Anyway, here they are:

    1) Is stoneskin modified by any attribute?
    2) Is repose modified by any attribute?
    3) When I'm filling a main healer role, what attributes would be best to stack and in what order?
    4) Can cures critical?
    5) What restores more HP, 2 cures or 1 cura?
    6) What restores more HP, sacred prism + cura or curaga?
    7) What is the soft attribute cap at level 50?

    I'll probably add a few more to the thread as they come to mind but that's about it for now.

    Thanks!

    Edit: I know this probably belongs in the CON forums, but they seem kind of dead...
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    Last edited by WinnipegJet; 01-25-2012 at 06:20 AM.

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    1) VIT
    2) MND
    3) Ionno, MND?
    4) I think so, but there's no text I've seen to denote it
    5) About the same for Cura and Cure. Curaga is weird, it depends on how much HP the people in area of effect need.
    6) You mean Sacred Prism. That and Cura, hands down.
    7) No clue.
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    Last edited by Answa; 01-25-2012 at 07:45 AM. Reason: I'd put PIE on 2. Don't be mean to Vexerus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Answa View Post
    1) VIT
    2) MAGIC ACCURACY
    3) Ionno, MND?
    4) I think so, but there's no text I've seen to denote it
    5) About the same for Cura and Cure. Curaga is weird, it depends on how much HP the people in area of effect need.
    6) You mean Sacred Prism. That and Cura, hands down.
    7) No clue.
    fixed number 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexerus View Post
    fixed number 2
    He asked for an attribute, not a stat. I associate attribute with MND, INT, PIE, STR, DEX, and VIT. Otherwise, I would've said MAcc. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Answa View Post
    He asked for an attribute, not a stat. I associate attribute with MND, INT, PIE, STR, DEX, and VIT. Otherwise, I would've said MAcc. lol
    Magic accuracy is not a stat? PIE increases your enfeebling magic potency, yes (the only way to increase enfeebling magic potency in fact). However sleep is not governed by enfeebling magic potency, thus PIE has no effect on sleep resist rates what so ever.

    The correct answer would be MND then, since MND increases magic accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coglin View Post
    Actually both 2 and 3 have multiple modifiers. Vexerus didn't fix anything, he removed one of the correct answers to add another.
    If the OP read the clas forums he would see where we have already had this debate and explaination of its mechanics.
    proof in this dev response


    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    JP side has a thread saying there is only sleep spell and there is a stat called Enfeebling Magic Potency Up... so what gives?? and Poice on that thread had a good question so Mocchi (Rep) answered his question.


    Poice: Does Sleep or Repose effectivness be affected by PIE - Enfeebling Magic Potency? This is really important for crowd controllers so wanted to check. Also if it was affected by enfeebling magic potency that means Dark Seal > Sleep is useless right?

    Rep: Magic such as Sleep/Repose's effect is affected by Magic Accuracy and for additional effects from such as Aura Pulse with Additional "Slow" effect WS's enfeebling effect is affected by Enfeebling Magic Potency. For that Reason "Dark Seal > Sleep" is correctly being affected by Dark Seals effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexerus View Post
    Magic accuracy is not a stat? PIE increases your enfeebling magic potency, yes (the only way to increase enfeebling magic potency in fact). However sleep is not governed by enfeebling magic potency, thus PIE has no effect on sleep resist rates what so ever.
    Hrm. I derped on the attribute I used. I intended to use the MAcc one from the getgo. I just brain farted. :3
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    1) Vitality, since Stoneskin is enchancement magic.
    2) No, but the hit rate is your m.acc vs its passive resistance.
    3) Healing Potency, Magic Crit, Mp. (Mind has a 4:1 ratio for healing potency vs healers hand materia which gives 1:1. You should focus on this materia on your mh and head. Magic crit on the hands produces larger crit cures, and mp for extended fights.)
    4) Yes.
    5) Both are about even, given they dont crit.
    6) Trick question. Curaga, hypothetically if a party memer is in dire need of healing and other members are barely scratched; The base for Curaga can be more potent under the correct conditions but it doesnt Crit as opposed to Cura which does. Otherwise it would be Cura + sacred prism in the majority of circumstances.
    7) +250 on any stat is what I've been told.
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    Last edited by Gugnir; 01-30-2012 at 05:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexerus View Post
    fixed number 2
    Magic accuracy...which is increased by MND. Also, note that PIE increases Enfeebling Potency. I don't know for a fact what that would do for Repose but you might get longer durations. M.Acc/MND is definitely more important though, since that's what determines if the Repose sticks in the first place.
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    We have a class section, and every question you ask has been discussed, explained and tested, in that section, check it out and enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coglin View Post
    We have a class section, and a majority of your questions, if not all will be answered there, several of our questions have already been asked in threads there. I am honestly surprised you hadn't checked there already.
    Most of my questions weren't answered in the threads I looked at.
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    Last edited by WinnipegJet; 01-25-2012 at 06:23 AM.

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