Viera head gear -_-

[deadman1204]

Get over it already!
You knew you'd never get headgear before you race changed! As well, 95% of everyone doesn't even SHOW their headgear, they just hide it. Of those that show their head gear, its like 5-10 different things everyone glamours too.

[Avidria]

Get over it already!

No.

You knew you'd never get headgear before you race changed!

No, we didn't.

As well, 95% of everyone doesn't even SHOW their headgear, they just hide it. Of those that show their head gear, its like 5-10 different things everyone glamours too.

No, it isn't.

[Sophie_Lo]

Get over it already!
You knew you'd never get headgear before you race changed! As well, 95% of everyone doesn't even SHOW their headgear, they just hide it. Of those that show their head gear, its like 5-10 different things everyone glamours too.

Not so. We were under the impression that they *would* be fixing the headgear for these races after their availability, and as now established races within the game, do they not deserve the same care as the previous races have received? The answer is yes, they certainly do.

And common glamours have absolutely nothing to do with it. The point is to have equal options as everyone else has, and that is not asking much, honestly.

[SturmChurro]

Back to the game, resubbed, and now back to the forums (I'M BACK!). The usual viera thread on the front page, glad to see.

Like I read things saying "It's been 5-6-7+months and we still haven't been given new hairs! WTF?!?"

5 - 6 - 7+ months is a really long time for something as little as hairs. I have given up on the notion of headgear, they won't make unique models, the best viera will get is clipping through the top of a hood. The least they can do is hairs. We haven't seen a single one. Not one. No headgear, no hairs. Baseline since last year. It's ridiculous.

[reivaxe]

5 - 6 - 7+ months is a really long time for something as little as hairs.

Like I said ... *shrug?

What do you want me to say? They said looong ago that they're working on hairs and manes and Hrothgar faces but that it would come at a slower pace/ after hair for the other races. (so "please be patient" I guess)

Thing is they add hair very rarely and seem to treat it as a carrot at the end of a stick to encourage people to do content seeing as play time is where they get paid. Looking at SB and SHB they tie it to big updates like HoH, Eureka, Ishgard stuff and as a reward for completing a 24men raid ... these are fairly far spread out through out the expac. So after this expac came out we've seen ... exactly 1 new hair style added and it was in the most recent big patch which also happened to be months after the release of the Expac.

Is hair a "little thing"? I couldn't tell, I have no clue how much time it demands or how hard it is to add to the game. I'd love for them to be like GW2 and add in a ton of hair styles at the start of every expac ... but in GW2 you need to use a hair kit that's on the cash shop to change your hair so there's actual money reasons why they would add a ton of hair to the game. To the FF14 team, in their rigid gear grind patch release set up, adding new hair often may be way less important than new glam or gear or events or any number of things and they prob would want to get the new hair for the vast majority of players out before having people hammer out or release hair for these races as every new hair style is a striking increase in quality for the most part.

Soo yeah ... you get X after Y. This has been known for the longest. Just so happens Y comes very rarely. I'm not personally happy with the rate at which Y comes so I get the disappointment for people who want X but I have no clue why people would fool themselves into expecting X BEFORE Y when they said flat out that it comes after Y. Not sure what else there is to say about that.

Maybe they're saving them for release all at once and when they DO release them there will be a good amount more than "1"?
*Shrugs

I have given up on the notion of headgear

Not sure why you had "hope" the in first place, they were always gonna have head gear restrictions. Not sure where this idea that they were gonna have "hats and helms work" came from. That was always pie in the sky, at this point not only would they have to remodel and redesign all current hats and helms to fit Viera (no one ever seems to pose a solid design solution to the problem that is Viera ears and the many hats in this game beyond having it just clip) ... they would also have to alter every current and future hair style to have a "hat" version.

If they were they could at least be releasing stuff little by little unless they wanted to make it all available at once. However, there's no point in that..

There is a point for that, it's called Hrothgar.

Unless they make all NEW manes work for all Hrothgar heads they can't just plop out 1 new mane and ruin the evens-stevens thing they have going on (cause then 1 head would have 6 possible hair styles compared to the other 3 that only have 4 each). I personally expect 4 new Unique Viera hairs with "bang alts" and each of the 4 Hrothgar heads to get 1 new unique mane and their "Mane alt". When ever they add the new Hrothgar head or heads I'd expect them to be given the same number of manes as any other head and for that increase to be reflected in Viera hairs.

(Some people would curse their connection but I think it saves the Viera from mediocrity seeing how most don't realize just how few old common hair styles would work with the Viera head design principles. Having both races get new unique hair will result in some much better looks than grabbing the hand full of old outdated hairs that happen not look terrible with Viera ears and telling people to be happy with their whack straw hair)

Like they said, Viera are never gonna have as much hair as the other races ... but I see no reason to think they aren't doing what they said personally.

[Yencat]

Thing is they add hair very rarely and seem to treat it as a carrot at the end of a stick to encourage people to do content seeing as play time is where they get paid. Looking at SB and SHB they tie it to big updates like HoH, Eureka, Ishgard stuff and as a reward for completing a 24men raid ... these are fairly far spread out through out the expac. So after this expac came out we've seen ... exactly 1 new hair style added and it was in the most recent big patch which also happened to be months after the release of the Expac.

It's a carrot on a stick to do content for new hair for races that already have access to the full catalogue, we shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to get more than the 8 styles we currently have and however many Hrothgar get.

Hopefully thursday they will have something to show, or at the very least address it when we could expect an update. Fingers crossed.

[reivaxe]

It's a carrot on a stick to do content for new hair for races that already have access to the full catalogue, we shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to get more than the 8 styles we currently have and however many Hrothgar get.

Like I said ..

and they prob would want to get the new hair for the vast majority of players out before having people hammer out or release hair for these races as every new hair style is a striking increase in quality for the most part.

So *Shrug
I don't think they're gonna have the hair link to anything like HoH unless they allow you to get a Fanti potion when running w/e content as a Hrothgar so it wouldn't be something you have to jump through hoops for, would likely be something you just have to wait for.

You can disagree with them wanting to release stuff all the other players could enjoy first but that's the nature of things. Best to do as you said and look forward to the next LL. My Hrothgar alt is looking forward to any developments as well.

[EtherRose]

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I don't think both of you understand. Let me re-quote again. It doesn't matter if plans were made public. If Head Management says "No don't do this because it costs more resources and time" and Yoshi does it anyway because fans wanted it it doesn't mean that they "Were meant to be added". Time and resources. That's the main problem when creating new playable races. They could have easily made a non-playable beast race to replace Viera and Hrothgar in the story and it would save them time and resources and not release what is out now. And Yoshi also specifically stated that the problem with creating new playable races was, oh let me say it again, Time and Resources. And he said this like a while back in previous letters and was reluctant to add another playable race yet 2.

But when they do try to add stuff for fans and please you guys, You still complain regardless no matter what they do. No patience.

[Sheriyana]

I don't think both of you understand. Let me re-quote again. It doesn't matter if plans were made public. If Head Management says "No don't do this because it costs more resources and time" and Yoshi does it anyway because fans wanted it it doesn't mean that they "Were meant to be added". Time and resources. That's the main problem when creating new playable races. They could have easily made a non-playable beast race to replace Viera and Hrothgar in the story and it would save them time and resources and not release what is out now. And Yoshi also specifically stated that the problem with creating new playable races was, oh let me say it again, Time and Resources. And he said this like a while back in previous letters and was reluctant to add another playable race yet 2.

But when they do try to add stuff for fans and please you guys, You still complain regardless no matter what they do. No patience.

So we should just be thankful whenever they release unfinished content? I think you misunderstand something about the consumer-company relationship. It's not the customer's job to be understanding, make excuses for the company and hope for the product to be finished some time in their life. It's up to the company to deliver a satisfying and finished product. Of course it reflects badly on them if they release unfinished features, people are allowed to be disappointed, we're paying for this. It's their job to keep the customer satisfied. Stop being a corporate apologist, they're not paying you anything to make excuses for them.

More related to the topic at hand, the least they could do is provide us some updates, tell people that stuff is being worked on. This "telling people that stuff will be added at some point and then never mentioning it again" approach is completely unacceptable and only serves to make people upset.

[SturmChurro]

So we should just be thankful whenever they release unfinished content? I think you misunderstand something about the consumer-company relationship. It's not the customer's job to be understanding, make excuses for the company and hope for the product to be finished some time in their life. It's up to the company to deliver a satisfying and finished product. Of course it reflects badly on them if they release unfinished features, people are allowed to be disappointed, we're paying for this. It's their job to keep the customer satisfied. Stop being a corporate apologist, they're not paying you anything to make excuses for them.

More related to the topic at hand, the least they could do is provide us some updates, tell people that stuff is being worked on. This "telling people that stuff will be added at some point and then never mentioning it again" approach is completely unacceptable and only serves to make people upset.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to post something like this, but kept going AFK or doing something in-game. Totally agree - except to SE, at least if I am remembering this correctly, Viera/hrothgar ARE finished.