Ast cards 6.0 rework

[MitsukiKimura]

IIRC, Yoshi already explained the exact same reasoning as to why AST was reworked the way it was. So I'm going by what they've told us. So really I want to ask, why do you think they would go back on it, especially since AST wasn't the only job affected by this new "speed kill" mindset.

Seals system is the way forward with AST and it has big potential. I'd put more feedback into that and expanding on it then trying to "fix" the base cards.

You must of forgotten the part where he also stated that he knows people don't like the card system as it currently stands. Just because something was said few months back does not mean it will be this way forever. Many things have been changed due to player feedback, this will be no exception. Also that quote was 5+ months old

[Rai_Takara]

You must of forgotten the part where he also stated that he knows people don't like the card system as it currently stands. Just because something was said few months back does not mean it will be this way forever. Many things have been changed due to player feedback, this will be no exception. Also that quote was 5+ months old

You missed the part where he said they will continue with the current system for the foreseeable future...

The quote being old has little bearing because this is the same exact feedback that was given then as it currently has. Nothing has changed on that front. Unless they've come up with a better solution, but that solution isn't going to be to go back to what it was before.

It's interesting because people say only "speedkillers" followed "balance or bust" yet the devs have confirmed that they received plenty of feedback saying that it was a common theme with the job. I don't think it was just that small community that felt that way.

[MitsukiKimura]

You missed the part where he said they will continue with the current system for the foreseeable future...

The quote being old has little bearing because this is the same exact feedback that was given then as it currently has. Nothing has changed on that front. Unless they've come up with a better solution, but that solution isn't going to be to go back to what it was before.

It's interesting because people say only "speedkillers" followed "balance or bust" yet the devs have confirmed that they received plenty of feedback saying that it was a common theme with the job. I don't think it was just that small community that felt that way.

Re read that post you missed the part where it said "For now". As for someone who plays AST, there's something completely wrong with it if it's turning people away from playing the class. AST is competitively better than WHM at its peak play but currently as it stands AST is the least played healer. Food for thought.

[Rai_Takara]

Re read that post you missed the part where it said "For now". As for someone who plays AST, there's something completely wrong with it if it's turning people away from playing the class. AST is competitively better than WHM at its peak play but currently as it stands AST is the least played healer. Food for thought.

That's how it was for the entirety of Stormblood minus Alphascape. AST was the better healer always yet WHM was used more then too.

[HyoMinPark]

That's how it was for the entirety of Stormblood minus Alphascape. AST was the better healer always yet WHM was used more then too.

Not to this scale. WHM and SCH uploads have rivaled five to six times the amount of AST uploads for Shadowbringers thus far. AST was never five to six times behind the other two during Stormblood. And, honestly, the most complained-about aspect of the job on these forums is the card system. How many threads are made asking for reworks to it? I get it: there’s people that like it—but based on these forums, it’s not the majority of people here. And even though the official forums is likely a very small sample size of the playerbase as a whole, it’s also the platform the developers tend to take feedback from.

[Rai_Takara]

Not to this scale. WHM and SCH uploads have rivaled five to six times the amount of AST uploads for Shadowbringers thus far. AST was never five to six times behind the other two during Stormblood. And, honestly, the most complained-about aspect of the job on these forums is the card system. How many threads are made asking for reworks to it? I get it: there’s people that like it—but based on these forums, it’s not the majority of people here. And even though the official forums is likely a very small sample size of the playerbase as a whole, it’s also the platform the developers tend to take feedback from.

Perhaps SE is okay with those numbers though. Who knows. We'll find out this Thursday about it possibly.

The dev team has shown extreme inconsistency when it comes to feedback. Monk has been near universally despised, and they expressly said changes would come in Shadowbringers. That didn't happen, resulting in the panic response in 5.05 when the community finally abandoned the job. They once said they liked the physical and magical tank dichotomy but we saw that didn't last past Heavensward.

What's likely preventing them from reverting Astro changes is it was as reviled as Monk, Ninja and Summoner were. But given Astro has primarily warmed the bench this tier, I'd say it isn't doing well. 5.2 may determine just where the community lands given Astro is objectively the strongest healer. At least in rDPS. If it still isn't played... that says everything.

True, but can only go by what they say currently. Easy to look back and see what they've said and not done but if we take that stance now then we can't trust anything they say now which I think is too negative of an outlook to have on the devs.