Thread: Ast cards 6.0 rework

Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

You missed the part where he said they will continue with the current system for the foreseeable future...

The quote being old has little bearing because this is the same exact feedback that was given then as it currently has. Nothing has changed on that front. Unless they've come up with a better solution, but that solution isn't going to be to go back to what it was before.

It's interesting because people say only "speedkillers" followed "balance or bust" yet the devs have confirmed that they received plenty of feedback saying that it was a common theme with the job. I don't think it was just that small community that felt that way.

Re read that post you missed the part where it said "For now". As for someone who plays AST, there's something completely wrong with it if it's turning people away from playing the class. AST is competitively better than WHM at its peak play but currently as it stands AST is the least played healer. Food for thought.

Originally Posted by Malmstrom

I like how when people suggest changes, they still put in an effect that will make all others useless because that's what people will fish for.

Two cards increase damage? Redraw until you get those.

The End.

Totally true.

"New card system appears"..."math working hard to find the best card"..."Redraw until you get the best one".

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

Totally true.

"New card system appears"..."math working hard to find the best card"..."Redraw until you get the best one".

If you want to waste time trying to draw that one card out of 6 then be my guest. If you couldn't make the best out of what you drawn then AST wasn't for you.

Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

If you want to waste time trying to draw that one card out of 6 then be my guest. If you couldn't make the best out of what you drawn then AST wasn't for you.

Neither version of the card system is this way, that has been my constant frustration with it.

In my AST perfect world, each card has an impact, is on a greater CD, and there isn't all this Spread, Royal Road, Redraw nonsense. You play the card you draw. Period. RR and Spread can be skills used to make your draw more favorable such as a two-faced card to apply two effects, remove cards from the deck to increase the chance of drawing a more favorable one, or be MA'd to apply a generally beneficial effect if your draw is unfavorable to the situation. But trying to manipulate a card after it is drawn is far more cumbersome than using the RNG to get a favorable card in the first place, which you can then just play.

In my honest opinion, both card systems were/are a total mess. And at this point, we might want to start talking about how many expansions it will take for them to get it right.

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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So just revert it back to 4.0 then, yes? I know I am often a voice of opposition, but I come in peace. That is a genuine question.

It is extremely unfortunate that the enjoyment was stripped from one, if not your favorite job. I do know how that feels, and it was a disheartening to the point that I left that particular mmo. Thing is, when I really thought about it back then, I wondered if simply reverting the job back to what it was would have fixed things. I realized it wouldn't have. The damage was already kind of done. It also wouldn't have worked any more in the way the battle design was changed. I wanted to mention this because as unlikely as it is that the old card system will return; if it did, how good would this actually be? You'd have to think about things in a way that DPS are functioning like now, and what all the AoE buffs you propose would be doing.

As difficult as it has been, what - if anything other than the return of the old card system would have you gravitate towards the job again, and take it out of retirement? If you take the card system away, is there anything you feel AST needs that current or new card system can take advantage of? How about AST's high APM? How do you feel about cards having longer draw times, but much more potent and different effects? How about putting cards on the GCD? These are not really suggestions, but just some haymakers to see if there is anything that stimulates the brain. But if we assume the old system will not return, and the current isn't enjoyable. The next alternative is something entirely new.

Originally Posted by Gemina

So just revert it back to 4.0 then, yes? I know I am often a voice of opposition, but I come in peace. That is a genuine question.

It is extremely unfortunate that the enjoyment was stripped from one, if not your favorite job. I do know how that feels, and it was a disheartening to the point that I left that particular mmo. Thing is, when I really thought about it back then, I wondered if simply reverting the job back to what it was would have fixed things. I realized it wouldn't have. The damage was already kind of done. It also wouldn't have worked any more in the way the battle design was changed. I wanted to mention this because as unlikely as it is that the old card system will return; if it did, how good would this actually be? You'd have to think about things in a way that DPS are functioning like now, and what all the AoE buffs you propose would be doing.

As difficult as it has been, what - if anything other than the return of the old card system would have you gravitate towards the job again, and take it out of retirement? If you take the card system away, is there anything you feel AST needs that current or new card system can take advantage of? How about AST's high APM? How do you feel about cards having longer draw times, but much more potent and different effects? How about putting cards on the GCD? These are not really suggestions, but just some haymakers to see if there is anything that stimulates the brain. But if we assume the old system will not return, and the current isn't enjoyable. The next alternative is something entirely new.

It was my favorite job, now I can hardly stand to even look at it. Honestly at this point they could remove the entire card gimmick and I wouldn't miss it. I don't got anything else to say to it. That's how I feel.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

The irony is, like MitsukiKimura, I actually prefer Astro now if I ignore the cards completely. That's how awful, clunky and bland the whole thing feels. Which is rather sad seeing that been the whole gimmick.

But to answer your question, Sleeve Draw absolutely needs to be overhauled or straight deleted. It is probably the biggest offender, and results this mess of an opener. Play is another button that just doesn't work properly, requiring quickly targeting through your party or macros. I don't think I know a single controller player who has not complained about Play. I'd like to see old Lord and Lady come back in some capacity.

You take the cards out, and AST functions just fine as a healer, but designing a healer so that it can meet the healing requirements is likely the easiest part of it; considering how low those requirements are. Obviously that is not the answer to resolving the card mechanic issues. I won't pretend to know how to resolve the problem, but I do know that a high APM works against the GCD, and this makes a job's mechanic feel clunky.

Sleeve draw, draw, and redraw all need to be reworked. However, the one thing I don't have a problem with when it comes to AST is Play. This change was godsend to me compared how we played cards before because it drove me nuts that the timer would not start counting down until I actually used the card. I am on controller and I find using play to be no different than using an ogcd heal. The only difference being that I have to take a split second to determine who to use the card on, which is why I feel it was made to be the coin flip that it is. If I had three or more choices on who to use a card on with the current system, I would derp them constantly.