Valentione's Day Items

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

I love how people want to try to invalidate opinions with 'you're ENTITLED'... what a crock.

People want equality in the choices in how they glamour their characters, just like how they dress IRL. And it is no one's business how a person dresses IRL OR in-game. I'm a small petite girl IRL and I DESPISE frilly cute little dresses. I want bespoke vests and slacks for no other reasons than I find them more comfortable and freeing to move in. That's all. It's just my preference. And I find it more aesthetically pleasing to me. I should have that same freedom in-game. I've said so for LITERALLY YEARS. This isn't some new phenom just because I find 'this particular dress' unpalatable. It's the same for others.

'But Tsal, I haven't seen as many people saying so! That means it just hasn't been as big a deal!'

Well, that's bully for you? Maybe you weren't on the forums as much? Or weren't talking to EVERYONE? Your sample sizes are limited and skewed.

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes. Good grief. That's the most childish take I've seen yet. Kindergarten was supposed to teach people what sharing entailed, right? That opening things up to everyone doesn't actually take the thing way from others? Check that out, it's a thing. Also, if the B2 glam, the Bunny glam... and every caster robe glam that dudes wear hasn't made people with so-called 'traditional values' (what?) keel over... opening up choices for everyone to wear what they want... removing the gender-locks won't either. Just saying.

It's entitled because
1) Guys should have something nice for themselves, which has been improving
2) You act as if there aren't alterative to the jacket, when there's tons of them in game THAT ARE UNISEX. Not even counting the Bestman's gear, there's the Scion jacket, the lvl 60 Shire gear, the gear from St. Mocianne/Pharos Sirius HM, gear from Holminster Switch, some of the Scavaen gear, and others throughout the game. Again, all unisex options. If you hated dresses so much, you could've considered those. But the "wahhh!! I want this one!" when there's already a plethora of alternative options seems entitled to me.

And yeah, it's not a new phenomena, but it certainly kicked up in 2019 for some reason.

[Tsalmaveth]

Why should any gear be restricted? Gear should be unrestricted and they are lifting that, as we've already been privy to. There's zero reason to 'x group should have a limited thing' at all. That thinking only rose up because there has been limited things before and an imbalance happened, causing ill-will. Removing restrictions and opening it up so everyone has access to everything wipes that and puts everyone on the same level. I still laugh every time someone goes 'the guys should have something for themselves' because I don't think either group should have restricted glamours at all. None of the gear, that includes the ones sold in the mog station for the Iconic Characters like Aymeric, Y'shtola and Hien etc, should be restricted by gender.

As for the gear you were mentioning, all of those are limited by Class, Level and usually are cluttered style-wise. But are used often for just those reasons. It doesn't take away from the overall discontent of gender-lock issue.

And no, people are STILL not 'entitled'... though you can try to lable them as such just because you don't like their opinions.

[Eloah]

Oh people complained just nowhere near as much because the quality between the two sets was equal, this year's Valentione day sets are not, the female one has an bit of a clipping problem especially with just standing around hands go through it, coupled this with the knowledge that removing genderlock on old gear pieces is being a thing (When is another matter) people are just wanting this bumped up in the queue to remove it faster since there are fewer suits for females.

Personal note I'd love the tights females get for my male characters yet we got another set of pants, your running out of trouser lengths SE (This one is slightly longer than Butler's while not as baggy as Clouds) :P

But the outfits are equal, it's clear that both outfits received a lot of time in their design. SE has been better at making both sets feel equal as of late, and not having the Male version be a sad recolor of an already existing piece if gear; looking at you Valentiones's apron and Witch's attire.

Clipping is sadly something the devs have stated they dont focus on all that much, because they arent going to design an outfit around a pose the player might only be in 2% of the time. Slow down some animations and take a look at some of the other outfits and you'll see a lot more clipping than you'd want to. The only issue is because females tend to have more "long assests" it tends to show up on them more. The best, personal, example I can give is with male lalafell arms the mesh for the underarm and shoulders aren't great and look horrible when the arms move a certain way with certain outfits. As far as I know females dont have that issue.

As for the pants, yeah I get that; yay more pants, but at least they look nice... That being said the tights look like they would be and interesting jester glam. Time to burn down things until I can wear them right, lol.

I love how people want to try to invalidate opinions with 'you're ENTITLED'... what a crock.

People want equality in the choices in how they glamour their characters, just like how they dress IRL. And it is no one's business how a person dresses IRL OR in-game. I'm a small petite girl IRL and I DESPISE frilly cute little dresses. I want bespoke vests and slacks for no other reasons than I find them more comfortable and freeing to move in. That's all. It's just my preference. And I find it more aesthetically pleasing to me. I should have that same freedom in-game. I've said so for LITERALLY YEARS. This isn't some new phenom just because I find 'this particular dress' unpalatable. It's the same for others.

'But Tsal, I haven't seen as many people saying so! That means it just hasn't been as big a deal!'

Well, that's bully for you? Maybe you weren't on the forums as much? Or weren't talking to EVERYONE? Your sample sizes are limited and skewed.

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes. Good grief. That's the most childish take I've seen yet. Kindergarten was supposed to teach people what sharing entailed, right? That opening things up to everyone doesn't actually take the thing way from others? Check that out, it's a thing. Also, if the B2 glam, the Bunny glam... and every caster robe glam that dudes wear hasn't made people with so-called 'traditional values' (what?) keel over... opening up choices for everyone to wear what they want... removing the gender-locks won't either. Just saying.

Look everyone is allowed an opinion, and I wont deny you yours. But I feel you are missing the point about why people are upset, that others were upset.

To start, SE said they were going to ease up on gender restrictions, and were looking to unlock some, that doesnt mean gender locking is disappearing all together. People seem to be in an uproar about the gender lock currently since they saw a bunch of things unlocked during a leak. But a majority of those things were wedding related, and Yoshi-P said in an interview they were unlocking the wedding attire so people could wear whatever they wanted. However, a lot of people were "annoyed" that the leak showed more unlocks for males than females, not remembering that all of the unlocks are available for females currently. Which in some peoples eyes made it look like males were getting more when that wasn't the case.

In regards to the current Valentione's day outfit. The reason some people are stating that the people who voiced displeasure with the dress are "Entitled" is because of how things played out. People didn't "disapprove" of the dress and then wait to give an honest opinion once they had access to it. It was automatically, "I don't like the dress give me the suit". This makes it seem like those voicing that displeasure expect to get the suit unlocked instead of just not likeing the dress.

Additionally, this situation might sound similar to the ones long ago, when the males clamoured for the unlocking of female outfits, but it is not. In those instances it wasnt that the males got a unique outfit they didn't enjoy. It was that males didn't get a unique outfit period, they always "shared" their outfit with females. Even with the bunny outfit, which was eventually unlocked, most people requested to at least get just the ears unlocked. Once things started getting fairer the player base calmed down. And the whole Viera/Hrothgar thing aside, SE has maintained fair gender glamours since at least late Heavensward early Stormblood.

I am not saying that people who play females should go through a stretch like the ones males went through. But, it does help to try and view things with a different perspective. Just because you think something isn't fair doesn't mean it's not. And sadly, this reward is fair. People not liking it is a personal bias and not SE showing favoritism for one gender or another.

PS. Clipping while an issue, isn't a factor in this topic as much as one might think. Because it's not so much a design flaw, as much as it's SE's lax rules on clipping in general. The male outfit clips too, not as much but it does.

[Sated]

People keep saying there is "inequality" between the outfits like there's some objective way to measure how "good" they look... that's 100% subjective.

The only equality between these outfits would be if there was no gender restriction and people could wear whichever pieces they liked more.

[Eloah]

The only equality between these outfits would be if there was no gender restriction and people could wear whichever pieces they liked more.

That's not exactly how equality works, especially within the confines of a video game, though the sentiment is a nice one.

Equality is being fair to all parties involved. A seperation of gender doesn't equate to inequality. Probably a decent example I can give is medical treatment for men and women. Men and women have different medical needs, but it can't be denied that women have a greater need compared to men. However, as long as those needs are met fairly for both, that's equality.

This topic could devolve into chaos so I'll just leave it there.

On another note though. Isn't it funny how something as "trivial" as a gender locked outfit in a video game, that arguably is nothing in the grand scheme of things, can bring about a better discussion about equality than actual debates on the topic.

[Reinha]

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes.

You're wrong. There isn't a trend in this game to get two thematically similar unisex outfits at the same time. It's either a single unisex outfit or two genderlocked outfits. They are not going to be releasing two unisex sets at once. Before you start accusing people of "making it their business what other people want their character model to wear", explain how getting just one set of glamour is not going to affect every player.

Getting a unisex 2B glam very much "took away" a Nier themed male outfit from the vast majority of people playing male characters. That's the end result of not making separate male and female glamours. It's childish to not acknowledge that certain outfits look so ridiculous on one gender that they can only function as joke glamours, and expect people to like the idea that half of future glamours are going to look stupid because they are designed for the other gender.

The Songbird and Riviera sets are examples of well made genderlocked outfits which no one threw a fit over. This new dress does have clipping issues, but I'd still rather have what we got than only the dress or only the suit as a unisex glamour like 2B.

[Tsalmaveth]

This is the classic 'do you just not get it or are you being intentionally obtuse' moment here...

...what people are asking for is 'keep both sets, just open them up for E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E'. You're the one who is saying 'they won't make the two sets' here, not us. You're the one who has unilaterally decided that removing the gender-lock automatically means 'welp, they are only going to make a single item going forward, RIP'.

The B2 glam was a fun thing, much like the Bunny Suit which was created after a lot of demand. I'm assuming it was done because Yoko Taro has a very fun sense of humour. You'll notice that the REST of the raid gear changes to match the gender of the avatar and does not 'remove anything from male avatars' WHAT SO EVER... much to the chagrin of a lot of us who'd LOVE to use the male-gendered coats, thank you very much.

Childish is making a blanket assumption about what will or won't be created if gender-locks are removed and then demanding that those of us wanting the locks be removed suddenly explain to everyone how we would be responsible for this supposed removal of gear that you are magically assuming would be happening... when you don't even know would happen. I don't get how people are SO against wanting things open across the playing field... it's honestly mind-boggling.

[Crushnight]

But the outfits are equal, it's clear that both outfits received a lot of time in their design. SE has been better at making both sets feel equal as of late, and not having the Male version be a sad recolor of an already existing piece if gear; looking at you Valentiones's apron and Witch's attire.

Clipping is sadly something the devs have stated they dont focus on all that much, because they arent going to design an outfit around a pose the player might only be in 2% of the time. Slow down some animations and take a look at some of the other outfits and you'll see a lot more clipping than you'd want to. The only issue is because females tend to have more "long assests" it tends to show up on them more. The best, personal, example I can give is with male lalafell arms the mesh for the underarm and shoulders aren't great and look horrible when the arms move a certain way with certain outfits. As far as I know females dont have that issue.

As for the pants, yeah I get that; yay more pants, but at least they look nice... That being said the tights look like they would be and interesting jester glam. Time to burn down things until I can wear them right, lol.

I think it has pick up so much heat is due to the pose that has it clipping is the just stand still for a few seconds a very common pose a lot of people are going to do compared to say a clipping while doing the manderville etc.

Remember the flower crown similar situation people will remember but it will die down after the event period, this just has a better chance to change since the sets are not both tied to 1 piece of gear that changes based on gender.

Also nah anyone threatening to burn stuff over a glam piece needs to get help.

[Sated]

This is the classic 'do you just not get it or are you being intentionally obtuse' moment here...

It really is. I genuinely can't tell who's trolling/derailing on purpose and who just doesn't understand what the request is. Or worse.

I just want to wear the glamours.

[Avidria]

It's fair if it's not your thing. It's not even in my top favorite items. But it's far from awful and nowhere near as bad as the Faerie Princess dress, which can eat your hand. It seemed like a technical reason why their dresses aren't usually narrow.

I call it entitlement because for many years, one of the biggest complaints about FFXIV was that the game clothing designs "caters to female characters." People especially pointed out that Heavenward's AST relic gear was clearly designed for female characters. So you have a ton of players with male characters complain that they want their glam to be just as good as the girls'. On this very forum, people were answering them with "if you want it, then fantasia into a girl lol!" Suddenly, male get something well-designed, then those same people telling them to fantasia want it unisex

Poster in 2017: If you want it, then fantasia into a girl
Same poster in 2020: We should have the right to choice glams

Funny, because no one complained about the songbird gear being gendered

I say awful because on Miqo'te, it really is awful. Half of my tail is eaten by the dress, and it's not just the top half. The tail clips out then back in again at the ruffle along the hem. It genuinely looks bad when I move, to me at least, which is why I won't be using it. I actually like the bodice and necklace and could probably ignore the weird ruffly sleeves if the skirt wasn't like that.

Some people probably are being a bit excessive about the reaction, but I dunno if I'd say entitled... definitely not about the majority of the posts I've seen. Personally I've always thought the "lol just fantasia" argument is absurd, and I've been unhappy with the gender (and racial) limitations on glamour for years. My first disappointment when I first started playing was finding out that Snow's outfit and hairstyle were genderlocked, after seeing them, loving them, and looking them up.

And idk about the Songbird set... I think the event where it was available in game happened while I was taking a break from the game, so I wasn't there for that. Those sets at least look pretty similar in style and shape, though, looking at them now. I like the guy version better there too... RIP me I guess, lmao.