the twelve city states

[Ardox]

That may be, but Nael's second-stage battle theme Rise of the White Raven (that was written for 1.0) specifically referred to Nael as a he, which only added to the confusion (especially as the lyrics were written by Ferne after all with Eva Kapeller translating them into Latin). But anyway, I digress, we've gone off topic.

Oh wow, I didn't know that. Thanks

Might explain why the explanation felt so convoluted when I did the 2nd coil.. Felt like a bad take on the Samus is a girl trope.


As for a hint for what the other 5th era city states might have been, there's no clue in Encyclopedia Eorzea 1 (can't say for the 2nd yet)

[Canadane]

Oh wow, I didn't know that. Thanks

Might explain why the explanation felt so convoluted when I did the 2nd coil.. Felt like a bad take on the Samus is a girl trope.


As for a hint for what the other 5th era city states might have been, there's no clue in Encyclopedia Eorzea 1 (can't say for the 2nd yet)

It's pretty apparent that they didn't have the new Nael lore in place during 1.0. He was still him, but the retcon was made in such a way it didn't dispute anything that happened in 1.0 afaik.

[LineageRazor]

Might explain why the explanation felt so convoluted when I did the 2nd coil.. Felt like a bad take on the Samus is a girl trope.

It's been a while since it was a topic of discussion, but as I recall, the whole unexpected gender thing was due to a miscommunication between the writers and the art team. The story of the sister taking the brother's place was created after the fact to "patch" the problem.

So, yeah, it was a "Samus is a girl" done badly - because it was done UNINTENTIONALLY. XD

[Grimr]

DO NOT COMPARE Nael to the awesomeness that is Samus Aran. Better question is how many super missiles would it take to bring down lets go with bahamut??

I want to give mhach, nym and amdapor a little bit of credit in building their city states. They are ruined but granted still standing. I am sure that in some capacity there are remnants of earlier city states and perhaps even amarout on the source. It isn't like limsa limonsa has dredged the entirety of the sea surrounding it which i am assuming is where amourot once stood at least in the source.

[Ardox]

It's been a while since it was a topic of discussion, but as I recall, the whole unexpected gender thing was due to a miscommunication between the writers and the art team. The story of the sister taking the brother's place was created after the fact to "patch" the problem.

So, yeah, it was a "Samus is a girl" done badly - because it was done UNINTENTIONALLY. XD

But.. in the cutscene, Alisaie muse about Bahamuth not caring and mixing up the genders (iirc)

[MrThinker]

But.. in the cutscene, Alisaie muse about Bahamuth not caring and mixing up the genders (iirc)

Yes, in English. In Japanese, I believe they simply were surprised that Nael was a girl the whole time, rather than conjuring any theories about Bahamut doing some aetherial stuff. Lineage says it was miscommunication between writers and art team, but I remember it being between the writers and the localisation team.

[Ardox]

Yes, in English. In Japanese, I believe they simply were surprised that Nael was a girl the whole time, rather than conjuring any theories about Bahamut doing some aetherial stuff. Lineage says it was miscommunication between writers and art team, but I remember it being between the writers and the localisation team.

I would have been 100% good with that. Not knowing the gender of a person by looking at his magitek-enhanced full-body fortress armor is more credible than the reason NA players got.. Except if it was a real plot point.. I really doubt they will ever revisit the "primals find gender confusing" bit except for some kind of easter egg..