In Defence of DPS meters.

[Paidhi]

Players could be a lot more helpful by being more directly relevant and tactful in their advice, sure, but to treat any critique or request as harassment or any information which might inform someone of their chances to improve as incendiary only simplifies the above tiers into "those who can" and "those who can't", with as little fluidity as possible between the two. And that's no favorable state for the game, or indeed any MMO.

The sad truth is, tools like meters, raidio, etc, will be abused. We know this happens. You cant downplay the social negatives of such tools because it is actually the main reason to not have them.

[Angus-Beef]

The sad truth is, tools like meters, raidio, etc, will be abused. We know this happens. You cant downplay the social negatives of such tools because it is actually the main reason to not have them.

There are actually more social negatives if people can't figure out whos underperforming leading to more toxicity and blaming and shaming people randomly.

[Shurrikhan]

There are actually more social negatives if people can't figure out whos underperforming leading to more toxicity and blaming and shaming people randomly.

This. It's far, far higher in XIV than in the majority of games that have ubiquitous parsing.

There's no point in telling a guy, "You know you're doing half the dps the other damage-dealers are doing, right?" when everyone has those same numbers. Where parsing is ubiquitous, the conversation efficiently skips that step. Instead, people switch to observation. We check to see if they seem merely distracted or to find out what's going wrong, or at worst just run a quick verbal check before whatever time we'd need full performance on and with time enough to correct the problems seen (e.g. your Fire Mage using Fire Blast on cooldown instead of only on Heating Up or whatever common knowledge issue others might be able to easily fix).

[Angus-Beef]

This. It's far, far higher in XIV than in the majority of games that have ubiquitous parsing.

There's no point in telling a guy, "You know you're doing half the dps the other damage-dealers are doing, right?" when everyone has those same numbers. Where parsing is ubiquitous, the conversation efficiently skips that step. Instead, people switch to observation. We check to see if they seem merely distracted or to find out what's going wrong, or at worst just run a quick verbal check before whatever time we'd need full performance on and with time enough to correct the problems seen (e.g. your Fire Mage using Fire Blast on cooldown instead of only on Heating Up or whatever common knowledge issue others might be able to easily fix).

Thats just it in FF, yet when you purpose this to the majority it's met with disdain. If we can make it so people at LEAST see thats it's their own mistake then they'll be more willing to fix it.

[Paidhi]

Thats just it in FF, yet when you purpose this to the majority it's met with disdain. If we can make it so people at LEAST see thats it's their own mistake then they'll be more willing to fix it.

Why should they have to adapt to your concept of fun? They are not interested in fixing a thing it is not ever an issue to them.

[Paidhi]

Again, many players don't value the numbers more than the having fun with a player they enjoy playing with.

[ForteNightshade]

Again, many players don't value the numbers more than the having fun with a player they enjoy playing with.

Why should they have to adapt to your concept of fun? They are not interested in fixing a thing it is not ever an issue to them.

Then don't join harder endgame content if you aren't willing to contribute at a decent level. Why does their fun trump everyone else's? Those other players aren't there to entertain you but to clear the content reasonably efficiently. If you can't perform decently, you're making it less fun for them. Which is selfish.

To put another way. If your goal is to simply have fun and not worry about your damage. Go find a group or FC of like-minded people. If it comes to a point you can't clear because no one is putting in a serious effort, maybe you'll discover why that mentality isn't appreciated by others.

[Paidhi]

Then don't join harder endgame content if you aren't willing to contribute at a decent level. Why does their fun trump everyone else's? Those other players aren't there to entertain you but to clear the content reasonably efficiently. If you can't perform decently, you're making it less fun for them. Which is selfish.

To put another way. If your goal is to simply have fun and not worry about your damage. Go find a group or FC of like-minded people. If it comes to a point you can't clear because no one is putting in a serious effort, maybe you'll discover why that mentality isn't appreciated by others.

Ofc, I agree 100% with that. I'm not defending in any way any player that expects to be carried, that's unpolite and rude.

[Shurrikhan]

The sad truth is, tools like meters, raidio, etc, will be abused. We know this happens. You cant downplay the social negatives of such tools because it is actually the main reason to not have them.

The sad truth is, suspicion tends to make people act far worse to each other than actually knowing, perhaps doubly so if there's a chance suspicion would fall on themselves and triply so when they, themselves, are worried they might be to blame.