a question for healers.

[monk-dps]

I don't expect anything of anyone on any role.. experiences have taught me that when you do all you get is anger. It's much easier to just expect nothing. - Cause really.. that's what you're getting most of the time.-

[inhaledcorn]

Mainly because small pulls are dull AF. There's very little for me to do. When a tank asks me "Big or small," my answer is, "Make me sweat.""

[Malmstrom]

Thank you for at least not throwing a snide response in there. But a serious question.
If you're so unsure of your tanking abilities that you feel the need to perform as such, why not spend some time in lower level dungeons and work your way up? That's what I did when I was uncertain of my tanking abilities to ensure I wasn't a drag on others. Perhaps I just have a hyperactive need to not be any sort of a burden on others, but if I felt I wasn't up to snuff of certain expectations I won't touch content until I felt that I was.

I will admit that maybe such a hyperactive need does perhaps give me higher expectations of others than what you all consider reasonable. I wouldn't try to wrest control of a dungeon from someone as that tends to lean towards lessened group cohesion, but after a certain point shouldn't some increased standards be expected to be met? I don't think it's that unreasonable in the slightest to expect a tank in the third expansion of this game, at level 71, to at least be considered experienced.

I think a fair answer to this would be because of the lack of abilities at lower levels.

What good is practicing tanking if all you have is a 1-2-3 combo and that's it? What good is practicing if you're lower leveled and everything in the dungeon gets destroyed on sight? What good is practicing in a lower dungeon on, say, DRK? Once you get TBN it's a completely different beast.

And so on.

[Shalan]

I think a fair answer to this would be because of the lack of abilities at lower levels.

What good is practicing tanking if all you have is a 1-2-3 combo and that's it? What good is practicing if you're lower leveled and everything in the dungeon gets destroyed on sight? What good is practicing in a lower dungeon on, say, DRK? Once you get TBN it's a completely different beast.

And so on.

I wasn't speaking to the tanks weaponskills/class abilities as much as tanking ability in terms of pull mechanics, CD cycling, grouping (etc.) given that's what we were discussing.
Progressively going through dungeons to pick up said skills is far better and more courteous to those around you than jumping into late game content blindly.

You build confidence through doing, and if you aren't confident as a tank in late game content, you should work your way up to it in earlier content till you are. I do the same thing on all my classes regardless of roles after a long time of not playing them or if I speed leveled them in PotD or some such thing.

[Chezen]

i apologize if my question confused anyone. i was asking more about brand-new tanks, in brand-new gear, fresh sastasha, etc. not late game inexperienced tanks... sorry about the misunderstanding

I think you will find a diversity in the game, even in healing, if you look enough. I'm strictly a mage healer, and I hate it when tanks pull wall to wall. DPSing trash in between heals is far more interesting than spamming heal over and over. My opinion of course, but this has always been my style since early MMO gaming, so it's not changing In addition, my current internet is not all that great. I live in the sticks now, and this is the best available, so there's nothing I can do about that. Wall to wall trash makes me lag, and while it hasn't caused a huge problem often, it could and it has led to wipes sometimes.

For these reasons, I actually tend to prefer healing for new tanks. Sometimes they are a little TOO cautious, lol. But I'm a patient person, I don't mind.

So, we're out there. It's a big game, with different temperaments. You just have to look for the ones who's pace matches yours and if possible, get them on your friendlist. As for the dungeon finder, well it's a public service. You just have to be prepared that you could get any combination, lol. One time in a PUG in Halatali, our tank didn't have his stance on and couldn't hold aggro. He didn't seem to understand english and didn't reply to us in party chat. I think he was a kid, personally. Anyway, the archer took over tanking, more or less, lol, and I just kept my eye on all three of them, still DPSing but not as much, and had a blast. ^^ Since it's an early dungeon, it wasn't that big of deal, and I had a lot of fun. ^^

Anyway, if people are rude, don't let it get to you. Let them be the unhappy one. Cheers

[SamRF]

As a leveling WHM, if you know the dungeon and have an idea of what's coming and how much damage there will be dealt, there's no point in not rushing ahead and pulling more mobs as healer when tank keeps pulls small, especially when tank is geared to the point you barely need to heal. I don't mind if you don't want to do big pulls, I'll just go ahead and pull them and bring them to you, all you've got to do is your aoe to get enmity. Sometimes even that isn't necessary since the holy stun keeps mobs from damaging at all if they die fast enough. Me and likely other healers/players are constantly calculating which move will lead to most dps while keeping everybody alive, and rushing/pulling ahead is sometimes the best move in that regard, even if it leads to some chaos.

Imo let healers do their thing and don't worry about it too much I'd say if it makes you uncomfortable, as long as you do bare minimimum (aoe to keep enmity) you'll likely be fine with the rushing healer (obviously you should try to use damage mitigation etc optimally and perhaps try to do bigger pulls when healer clearly gives sign that you're able to, but if you aren't skilled enough yet, don't worry the healer probably know what they are doing).

[SweetPete]

I like when the tank pulls wall to wall. I love the challenge of doing allot of dps and healing at the same time. I personally don’t like when the tank pulls small groups. Makes the dungeon feel like it’s taking longer. Again, if the tank isn’t comfortable I don’t leave or anything. I go at the tanks pace.

[SieyaM]

There are some people that absolutely hate dungeons and want to spend as little time as possible in them. Really they should try to earn their tomes or level their characters other ways because they often clash with other players over things like a few extra minutes on a dungeon run. Usually instances where there is an actual confrontation in chat though are rare, and shouldn't be taken as an indication over how a normal run goes.

[Hysterior]

Once you have done a dungeon 500 time and you know you out-level everything gear-wise by a large margin, you feel like getting more adventurous... to have even the tiniest of challenges

[Corbeau]

TBH, the only challenge in dungeons is seeing how quickly you can finish them.