Mentors...please!

[Lufir]

Most new players are probably confused with the wording of the quests you get from EX trials as well: "Use the Duty Finder to confront Ramuh at the Striking Tree (Extreme)" I imagine for a new player, it would easily be taken as I MUST use Duty Finder, even if they know about Party Finder and premades.

[Jijifli]

Most new players are probably confused with the wording of the quests you get from EX trials as well: "Use the Duty Finder to confront Ramuh at the Striking Tree (Extreme)" I imagine for a new player, it would easily be taken as I MUST use Duty Finder, even if they know about Party Finder and premades.

Girlfriend fell for that actually on an alt. She read it say "Use the Duty Finder" And thought she'd just queue for it because, well... The quest told her to.

Ah the pain having to in progress into an EX trying to just carry the party out of a disaster. (dps was low, OT refused to tank Garuda's add for a good 20 minutes. I'm internally screaming.)

Like imagine if I signed up to do that consistently. I got LUCKY it took only half an hour to get through that.

[RyuSaarva]

I'm in Elemental (Japanese DC) and it's pure despair when you get thrown into Ifrit or Ramuh or Moogle EX and you get like 5J speakers and 3E speakers and 6 sprouts or so. First you need to face the language barrier, even if you can speak both you'll need to explain in both languages which means double time (and pray that these people actually try to read chats). Then you need to explain the mechs for every job. What tanks need to do. What healers need to do. What not to do. And in worse case, you need to explain the basics. What provoke is. What enmity is. How to heal (idk why but new ppl don't seem to understand the difference between cure and regen idk why). And worst case, equipment problem. low IL. Why it is important to update your equipment before going into contents.

And then of course, you get ppl saying "oh please don't ruin our first time experience. no we don't need spoilers" "forcing your play-style to others is against ToS." "can you just shut up it's my game I decide what to do."

I'm not saying that quitting before even starting is good, but the game really needs to give better education to novices. Mentors can and will teach basics to ppl who want to learn, but it's not something done INSIDE any EX content. So far the Hall of Novice is too useless to even exist.

and in eu you get full teams of french/german players who don't speak a word of english or just refuse because they are too proud of their country + all the other things you mentioned lol.

[Noitems]

I'd personally recommend that if we have to continue keeping EX trials in fights that when unlocking EX's there is a disclaimer for new people/those using DF.

I have to agree that using the duty finder prompt is a misleading thing, especially as party finder is the norm for many of these fights. It could even be something in line with the world of XIV stating "Use party finder to make a party with a group of adventurers and fight!" instead of just simply using duty finder.

Many new players don't know party finder is a thing/ never consider using it, and do queue for content through DF no matter what it is. I'm sure for JP this is a normal practice but at least on NA PF is the norm since it lets you know what you're getting into.

I'm a person who will help EX trials when I can but many inexperienced people wind up wasting their time in DF for the group to disband since someone is not pulling their weight. There are bad mentors, who wear the burger king crown for points, but there are just as many good ones who want to help, but we can't play others charactes for them, so explaining and hoping for the best is all we can do.

[MistakeNot]

A lot of people seem to have an inflated view of what the mentor system is. It's existence is to fill spots in rare duties that aren't popular anymore and to keep the duty finder moving, period.

That is the purpose of the mentor roulette. Lots of mentors have not unlocked the mentor roulette, and some may never do so.
The purpose of mentors is in general to help newbies.

[TitanMen]

A lot of mentors are part of the hardcore elite gaming crowd, so make it easier for casuals to become mentors, instead of the insane 1500 recommendations requirement (that means you need to a dungeon 1500 times)

[Sheli54]

It doesn't change at all the real issues of mentor system, but I prefer 1500 commendations instead of 300. It was such easier to become mentor before and sometimes (often), a lot of mentors were as bad as novices ... because of this facility. Make ten Guildhests in a row, it takes you 1/2 minutes per guildhest, free commendations for you.

I mean, there are a few of them who are still incompetent but we feel it less than before. This new restriction has cleaned up a lot of mentors ... good mentors, unfortunately. Disastrous mentors too.

[RajNish]

I want to support topic starter. I have been playing for six months. Unfortunately, in 90% of cases, mentors showed complete disregard for game mechanics and rudeness, they bullying and trolling beginners.

Do you really think that the mentor has the right to say: "Better then you everyway"? Or something like:"You're stupid.". These are real quotes, by the way.

Every time when I see a mentor in a dungeon, I prepare for the worst. In most cases, my fears come true. These people do not teach anyone, they do not help, they demand "do not waste their time" at best, and at worst they simply insult you. And, of course, no greeting or a recommendation. And, of course, it’s an old players.

Yes, probably these people make more complex content. But since when has content complexity become a determining parameter for human relationships and ... politeness?

In fairness, I met good people who really helped me and explained the mechanics. But I can only remember maybe about 10 times or so in all over 2 000 dungeons.

I don’t think that only I am so unfortunate. The mentor's system clearly does not work "as intended". And, in truth, it would be better if it will be reworked or even abolished.

[RyuSaarva]

I want to support topic starter. I have been playing for six months. Unfortunately, in 90% of cases, mentors showed complete disregard for game mechanics and rudeness, they bullying and trolling beginners.

Do you really think that the mentor has the right to say: "Better then you everyway"? Or something like:"You're stupid.". These are real quotes, by the way.

Every time when I see a mentor in a dungeon, I prepare for the worst. In most cases, my fears come true. These people do not teach anyone, they do not help, they demand "do not waste their time" at best, and at worst they simply insult you. And, of course, no greeting or a recommendation. And, of course, it’s an old players.

Yes, probably these people make more complex content. But since when has content complexity become a determining parameter for human relationships and ... politeness?

In fairness, I met good people who really helped me and explained the mechanics. But I can only remember maybe about 10 times or so in all over 2 000 dungeons.

I don’t think that only I am so unfortunate. The mentor's system clearly does not work "as intended". And, in truth, it would be better if it will be reworked or even abolished.

and what did you say if they replied better than you, are you one of those mentor bullies who complain when mentors are not ultimate raid tier good and also recommendations are not a participation reward....it's a recommendation.

[Gula]

It does need reworking, but without active policing from GMs, it will always be flawed.

I've noticed new players are actually incredibly reluctant to ask for help unless you have that crown on. To which, once more, should be a watering can. When I had my Burger King crown, people listened. Lost it? Not so much.

I offer help to people going through ARR and want to understand the story and game features better, but when I say "It's ok I don't mind" I'm met with the common answer of "I don't want to be a bother."

New players who aren't jaded or knowledgeable on the community and much less the forums aren't going to see things the same way. I like the system in theory, but it needs a full on Bahamut treatment.