Mentors...please!

[AmeliaVerves]

Recently, he does not use the icon next to the character's name.

This is the case for most mentors, good players, raiders on EU. None of us uses the crown, because it doesn't represent any skill or knowledge at all.

Idk why you think Mentors are raiders, but let me tell you: they're not. Well, most of them are not. Since you are playing on Chaos as well, all I can say is that you met the wrong people and should not lump them all together. Most good players are really nice, kind and helpful people, the ones that are abusive and rude usually aren't good at what they're doing and have to compensate their lack of self-esteem. :/
Ofc you always have bad apples in a community, but overall most ppl are at least trying to be polite or silent. I guess one could say being silent is rude, but for example I usually don't talk/chat during content unless I'm directly approached or something has to be explained or sorted, but it's not bc I want to be rude or anything.

Usually I never see a lot of chat in dungeons on Chaos anyways and there isn't really a need to talk about stuff. If we wipe once on something, I usually don't speak up bc ppl often want to and should try to figure out and learn stuff on their own. Just if it happens multiple times I try to give hints or help, like, idk. Being a mentor doesn't mean to carry ppl or just hand everything to them imo, but rather helping them reach the goal themselves.

[RajNish]

Idk why you think Mentors are raiders

Unfortunately, this is statistics. Most players with a crown badge behaved disgustingly. Most of them were well equipped and cleaned hard content. This can be easily understood by examing their weapons and equipment. I am not saying that all players are bad. Not really. But, unfortunately, the mentoring system has outlived itself. It's became the reason for abuse in most cases. Moreover, this is considered normal. When you go through roulette, you are more likely to meet a "dementor" than an helpful and cooperative player.

If you have a different experience, I am sincerely happy for you. But, as my friend said: "If I get $ 1, every time I meet a bad mentor, I would be incredible rich".

[Gula]

It does need reworking, but without active policing from GMs, it will always be flawed.

I've noticed new players are actually incredibly reluctant to ask for help unless you have that crown on. To which, once more, should be a watering can. When I had my Burger King crown, people listened. Lost it? Not so much.

I offer help to people going through ARR and want to understand the story and game features better, but when I say "It's ok I don't mind" I'm met with the common answer of "I don't want to be a bother."

New players who aren't jaded or knowledgeable on the community and much less the forums aren't going to see things the same way. I like the system in theory, but it needs a full on Bahamut treatment.

[Theodric]

I doubt that changing the icon would have much of an effect. The novelty of the crown has already worn off by this point for most players but the sort of player to pursue an icon just for the sake of having something 'unique' that not everybody has access to is going to pursue it no matter what the icon actually is.

I agree with some sort of mandatory synced test for key mechanics, though. Every combat mentor should, ideally, be familiar with concepts such as stack markers, knockbacks, 'look away' attacks and other common but key mechanics.

[giwaman]

The only mentors I'll have faith are The Balance Discord Mentors, other than that it's a hit and miss between a troll u find or genuine help lol.

[Tsalmaveth]

That is something to consider: Mentors can 'help' and give 'advice'... but they are not there to 'carry' or 'literally teach you how to play' past a particular point. At what point does there need to be some personal accountability here, y'all? Maybe you ran into a person having a poor day. Or, if it's a repeat offender... they shouldn't be in the system. Remove them. However, it behooves new players to also take it upon themselves to use all necessary options to learn and not just expect others to hold their hands because 'well they are mentors they have to do it or they should be punished or the system removed'. Use the Halls of Novice. Watch videos on a fight to learn it, join practice groups for things, DON'T USE SKIPS if you're literally new to the game... all kinds of reasons why vet players might be grumpy... there's always two sides to the 'grumpy' coin here.

[Hatfright]

Personally I almost never see ppl getting angry over small stuff, especially in mentor roulette. If you meet these "weird ppl" that often, then there's also chance that you're just that bad that ppl can't help getting angry at you. And no please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to be a****** or anything, but it's definitely my personal experience. Some ppl are just THAT bad. I don't know how it is in your case, but if you meet such people THAT often, you might need to revisit the Hall of Novice for your own sake, too.

As someone who plays with Raj constantly, I can assure you, he don't need to do that.

Most of the "weird mentors" I've met gets angry about pretty everything, and most of the time it's not even EX trials. They mostly treat you like you're one of Trust NPC, except you can do aoe damage. And most of all, it's "you're not goin fast enough" thing that makes them angry. I mean, yeah, okay, I can pool whole dungeon, no probs, but are they able to heal me through that? Nope. I can DCD my axe off, but you only have that many DCD. Or it's other way around, they expect you to heal with them using zero DCD. That stuff happens all the time I do roulettes without friends. All. The. Time. Do I have a need to revisit HoN to meet their expectations? No, I don't think so.
Experts, leveling, trials, raids, no matter what roulette it is, if there's a crown in the crowd, most likely someone will be talked off. Most of the time if there're a newbie, there'll be no tips for the fight even if someone asks for it. You'll get "don't die" if you're lucky. Yeah, thanks, great advice. It's not mentorship.
Noticed funny (if you can call it that) thing. People want to run through something faster, but refuse to give advice for new people. In most late and post-ARR dungeons it likely will get at least the newbies killed, in some cases party too. How's that for "faster clears"? Spendin 2-3 min to explain what to expect? No, they better spend it running from the start. Best example here is the World of Darkness. Why tell people to catch the meteors (or go catch it yourself) if you can complain about it killing you all instead, am I right? It's not mentorship either. And it happens constantly.

That is something to consider: Mentors can 'help' and give 'advice'... but they are not there to 'carry' or 'literally teach you how to play' past a particular point.

I agree. But least you can expect from mentor is being a decent human being and not gettin flamed when you literally did nothing wrong but haven't played the way they wanted you to.

So yeah. System stinks. It needs rework at best. I'd be glad for it to go. NN can be easely replased with other world chat, so if someone needs advice, they can ask for it here for anyone to see. At least some good soul will answer.

[AmeliaVerves]

That stuff happens all the time I do roulettes without friends. All. The. Time.

Again: I barely experience that on Chaos DF and I run it alone regularly. Ofc you have bad apples and some ppl are moving out their way and are rude, but it's by far not 'all the time'. Like, idk, I agree that the mentor system is just plain bad, but ppl wearing a crown are also not the root of all evil lmao.
I'd still argue that most of them are indifferent/silent or they at least try. It's just that bad experiences last way longer in ppls memory than good ones.
And on the other side you see a lot of entitled sprouts as well, mind you. People that expect you to explain every single mechanic and pull of a dungeon and ofc rotations of all jobs on top. Just, idk dude if you wanted to be fully informed beforehand just read up a guide before entering the dungeon? They are just taking the easy road, leaning back and being like "well, mentors have to explain to me, so I don't have to do a thing and just wait for them to give the information to me". I can see why mentors might get salty when meeting these.


One thing I would really like to see is a more broken down like 'rank' system for Mentors. RN we have PvE/Crafter/Gatherer/PvP Mentors, but I think it would be way more helpful to differentiate it further. Have combat mentors (maybe even class mentors), story mentors, gameworld mentors, encounter mentors(or rather dungeon mentors, trial mentors (for EX trials), raid mentors (for savages/ultimates)) and so on.
This would help the mentors to be only held accountable for their special field and also the sprouts, because they had a better idea who to ask for the kind of advice/help they're looking for.

[Hatfright]

One thing I would really like to see is a more broken down like 'rank' system for Mentors. RN we have PvE/Crafter/Gatherer/PvP Mentors, but I think it would be way more helpful to differentiate it further. Have combat mentors (maybe even class mentors), story mentors, gameworld mentors, encounter mentors(or rather dungeon mentors, trial mentors (for EX trials), raid mentors (for savages/ultimates)) and so on.
This would help the mentors to be only held accountable for their special field and also the sprouts, because they had a better idea who to ask for the kind of advice/help they're looking for.

That might help. Just cuz I leveled all battle classes to max doesn't mean I know how to play them well.

As for personal experienses... I'm not sayin someone is the root of all evil, there's deffo spoils in every bunch. I'm probably just that lucky to run more into crowned people with no basic manners or understanding there's people with you. People, who might not be able to pull wall to wall or react as quick due tons of reasons (from server lag and internet connection issues to evething else), and there's no need to bully them for it. Yes, there is players who understand that. But I didn't met them that much to balance the whole situation for me.

It might as well be timezone issue. I noticed "bad stuff" happening less when I run roulettes right after it's cooldown time. But more time after cd, more chanses to get angry people. And, well, by the time I usually do roulletes, most of the players probably already finished it.

[Deceptus]

That might help. Just cuz I leveled all battle classes to max doesn't mean I know how to play them well.

You know more than you think you do. Some of the most important things you learn leveling up all the jobs is how they interact with each other.

You've felt the pain as a healer of a tank who doesn't use a single defensive CD.

You've seen pulls take way too long because DPS refuse to use any aoe whatsoever.

You've seen healers who think their only job is to heal and not mitigate damage by helping kill mobs.

All of this knowledge you can pass on to other players.