FFXIV is just FFTA from the other perspective

[Eggpop]

Then I suggest people don't invite others to a discussion. Someone's opinion is bound to get challenged, so what's the point if we all agree that nuances, details and meanings don't matter because moral relavitism. Policing in discussion only happens if neither sides consider each other's opinion and it just becomes a shouting contest.

[Theodric]

Then I suggest people don't invite others to a discussion. Someone's opinion is bound to get challenged, so what's the point if we all agree that nuances, details and meanings don't matter because moral relavitism. Policing in discussion only happens if neither sides consider each other's opinion and it just becomes a shouting contest.

The discussion itself isn't the issue so much as the habit of people speaking in absolutes in situations where both the game and developers themselves have quite clearly painted scenarios as more than simply black and white.

There's an unfortunate trend in many fandoms where the loudest voices drown out those who appreciate the setting as a whole. There's a big difference between posters debating the lore as it is established and people shaming others for liking and supporting a particular fictional character/faction when it comes to the narrative.

Which is precisely why the suggestion to agree to disagree was put forth. Morality is a complicated issue and in some cases it seems there's more interest in preaching instead of debating the story and characters as they are presented.

Whenever morality is brought up the discussions end up becoming very circular. At which point it strikes me as wise for people to just shrug and agree to disagree instead of pushing the false narrative that their 'absolute' is correct.

[Eggpop]

The discussion itself isn't the issue so much as the habit of people speaking in absolutes in situations where both the game and developers themselves have quite clearly painted scenarios as more than simply black and white.

There's an unfortunate trend in many fandoms where the loudest voices drown out those who appreciate the setting as a whole. There's a big difference between posters debating the lore as it is established and people shaming others for liking and supporting a particular fictional character/faction when it comes to the narrative.

Which is precisely why the suggestion to agree to disagree was put forth. Morality is a complicated issue and in some cases it seems there's more interest in preaching instead of debating the story and characters as they are presented.

Whenever morality is brought up the discussions end up becoming very circular. At which point it strikes me as wise for people to just shrug and agree to disagree instead of pushing the false narrative that their 'absolute' is correct.

The issue is the people, I agree. Which is why if one is unwilling to take in differing opinions and continue to deflect them with moral relativism, they shouldn't publicly invite people to add their opinions. My issue with this discussion is that objectivity is being hand waved, and objective truths are mistaken with everything being the matter of perspective. We can still hold a discussion beyond the writers' intention as long as we are consistent and focused in an objective manner without battling for moral high ground.

edit: Anyway, I don't want to derail this even further so I'm out of here :,3