Please fix Alliance Raid "Roulette"

[Eli85]

I agree that it should be fixed, but I also understand why people do it: Alliance Roulette is such a treasure trove of EXP that people want to be in and out as quickly as possible. The Ivalice raids in particular aren't really conducive to this. I don't have the math in front of me, but I think the EXP / minute for your Alliance Roulette is among the best in the game, so maybe if that was toned down, you would stop getting those people who just want as much EXP as fast as possible.

So I would reduce the EXP, and then have item level ignored when queueing. That should solve the problem nicely.

[RylaBee]

I used to do LotA when it first came out and it was endgame and we had to do all mechanics. It still wasn't that bad. People seem to possibly die more to it now because of ignoring/not knowing mechanics.
So, even with your solution, I don't think much would change.
Also, even if people weren't to cheese removing gear, there's still the problem of the huge nmber of people who only ever unlocked the CT series as alliance raids at all.

No, it would change. If CT was not timesaver compared to say Ridorana, there will be no point to cheese the gear level to get CT.

As for people who only unlocked CT - nowadays I see people who only unlocked Copied Factory, and to get to ally raid, they go and randomly unlock any of 50/60/70.

[Tlamila]

No, it would change. If CT was not timesaver compared to say Ridorana, there will be no point to cheese the gear level to get CT.

What I'm saying is that even at ilvl, it's an easier and faster alliance raid than any other one, especially than the Ivalice ones.

[Midareyukki]

I agree that it should be fixed, but I also understand why people do it: Alliance Roulette is such a treasure trove of EXP that people want to be in and out as quickly as possible.

Incredibly unpopular opinion here, and I'll admit even I'm skeptical to my own words... but why should we be given such a treasure trove without actual effort put into it?
I already have to suffer wipes to people queueing into LotA and just not even bothering as it is. If I'm going to wipe to something, I personally would find it less insulting to wipe to something with an actual challenge.

Besides, they're fast, sure. Even ST is faster than LotA, though I get instanced into LotA far more often than ST. But I'm seeing a lot of people here say their favorite raids are from HW, SB, and some might even enjoy SH's raids more than the others. If they actually had better chances of getting those raids, wouldn't they feel more motivated to complete them? Because I feel zero enjoyment out of beating Behemoth's pathetic ass for the nth time, whereas Orlandeau was such a cool fight that I wouldn't even mind wiping and having to teach new people the mechanics. But before anyone starts saying "Oh but I enjoy beating up Behemoth, isn't that statement hypocritical of you?", those people get to beat up Behemoth whenever they want with such a system. I haven't seen Orlandeau a single time since SH came out. I got Orbonne exactly once, people left instantly because they couldn't get past the harpies right before Mustadio. You heard it: people can't get past TRASH MOB before a boss and leave.

...or I'm just being an idealistic dumb-dumb here. If so, sue me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly, I personally would advocate for either a Daily Challenge than a Daily Roulette, or simply synch everyone down to the raids to discourage that "just go in, press one button while yawning and reap all the benefits" mindset. Or just improve the overall algorythm so people with higher level content unlocked can have more variety. Because as much as we're sick of the ARR raids, we do have new players to the instances and it would be unfair to them to always see people grumpy on that content until they're level 60 and can do something else. But I'm not a game dev, so I don't know how realistic any of our collective suggestions would be.

[SummonerSenah]

I like the idea of Alliance Raid Roulette rotating, similar to PVP, where one day it would be the level 50 raid, one day would be level 60, one day level 70, etc. However, I would worry about not enough people queuing when it's the level 70 raids.

The other option I think may be worth looking into is for the rewards to scale, similar to Main Scenario Roulette, where you get more XP for Prae since it's longer. People who are doing Alliance Raid Roulette for XP may actually stay when Orbonne pops if they know it's going to get way more XP than doing LotA or ST.

[NokTokPok]

I don't know if that is even possible, but here is how I would do it:
Let the roulette change the ilevel requirement depending on your current level and the raids you have unlocked.
For example: You unlocked every single 24 raid and now want to level your 64 Ninja. The alliance roulette would then see, that the highest possible raid for you would be Dun Scaith and therefore put the ilevel requirement of Dun Scaith for the roulette.

If the roulette was like this, the only thing people could do to cheese it, would be to not unlock any other 24 raid besides the first two.

[DRKoftheAzure]

The only way to "fix" roulettes is to force minimum ilvl for ever dungeon/raid/trial, but we all know that will cause backlash with the casuals because the casuals are going to complain about being forced to learn mechanics, and the hardcores will still complain about casuals not doing the mechanics properly/dying to mechanics...

[EZ5902]

I gotta totally agree with OP at this point, LOTA and ST are boring as hell, i've also been playing an alt and trying to get some sb raids done, but if i'm lucky ill get a pop, then a couple dps don't press commence and it's others that get penalized, then we gotta freakin wait for another damn 30 mins, if not more...

My suggestion is to make it similar to the pvp daily, but have them rotate all 3 raids from each ARR, HW and SB raids.

As OP stated, new players are not learning these, sb ones more so.
Also, i personally think echo should be removed from Orbonne Monastery aswell, its pointless.

Or if 1 or 2 dps don't press commence, just start the raid, happens everyday this, it's not just 3 other players' time they are wasting its another 20+

[MasuraoTsukino]

The problem that I have with a system similar to frontlines is that it doesn't necessarily fix the problem, is it creates just as many problems as it solves

Firstly, it puts duties that people dont want under a microscope, or at least in sets (assuming you need to be max ilvl to queue). Will some people queue for Daily Alliance Raid just because they can, sure. But it also creates a problem where in people knowing what duties are in the pool for the day will actively avoid running it, say for example it's Crystal Tower, you dont wanna run those, so you just skip it for the day and maybe do fates or something else instead.
Secondly, the reason it works for Frontlines is because PvP is just level 30 duties. If they were to implement something like this for Alliance Raid, it creates an exclusionary problem. People who are maybe picking up SAM and RDM can't run Daily Alliance because they are 50 and the daily Alliance Raid set is Mhach or Ivalice. Also to kinda throw this out there, I am sure there are a lot of people who ONLY have ARR and HW because they were free for a limited time before 5.0 came out, locking them out of the roulette 1-2 days doesn't seem fair.
Thirdly, it also creates a problem for people unlocking duties. Sure it might help you for your queue if you happen to queue up on that day (and yes I am assuming that the duties wouldn't locked for individual queue). But say you work a schedule that only allows you a few hours a few days of the week, and you just hit 60 and wanna run Mhach, but all the days you are free to play, you can't get a queue, because Crystal Tower, Ivalice, or Nier are in the pool those days.

HOPEFULLY the moogle tomes being HW duties, will help create an incentive to run those, as I do genuinely miss running those, and might be the incentive we need to start seeing more evenly distributed duties (or The Copied Factory can be added to the roulette and everyone who is 80 get thrown into that, because I remember getting Ivalice Duties a lot when queueing alliance raid back in stormblood).
Unfortunately this is a multiangled problem that no one solution can really fix, and if SQEX is to do anything about it they are gonna have to balance out the pros with the cons, because every solution has them from what's been presented and what I've thought of.

[Almagnus1]

We were talking about this in the FC last night, and someone came up with a solution I rather like:

When you queue into an instance from a roulette, you get rewards appropriate the level that would appropriate for your ilvl (going by the leveling instance ilvl requirements). Should you get XP as a level cap character, you lose out on that part of the reward.

For example, if a level 80 decides to drop their ilvl to 50 just to roll through Labyrinth for the trillionth time, FFXIV would detect that they are gear like a level 50, then assign that 80 level 50 rewards for the rou and not compensate them for the XP portion of those rewards. Also, if there's someone trying to level and they have (for example) a 79 that's wearing 50 ilvl gear, they get the XP appopriate for a 50, not a 79.

So while I don't mind Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower occasionally, I just want some variety in my rous and not be almost exclusively those instances. I think shooting the rewards for whomever is doing the exploit makes the most sense as this way you don't harm the people (like me) that are walking into raid rou with gear appropriate to my level.