Half baked, it has to be said.

[Vrankyl]

As a GNB main I am confused as to where you are coming from. If you pay attention to our animations each one is unique in the way the sword moves and when the trigger is pulled in the swing. Yes they are all sword swings but if that is your reasoning you can apply the same logic to SAM, PLD, and DRK. As for the sounds... I won't lie when they first changed them it bothered me, but I've gotten so used to them now that an additional change would only serve to annoy me even more. About the only thing I could possibly see myself agreeing on is the special relic weapons... but even that I can see where SE is coming from in making those like the raid weapons where the new classes only get the ones from the expansion prior. If they didn't the amount of work their art team would have to do would only be even more burdensome when releasing a new job.

In regards to your other points a lot of them are falling off the way side. A lot of the development into some of these things do not cross over. Eureka itself isn't cutting out art resources for weapons, that would be the relic weapons in Eureka that would do that. Also Eureka /is/ its own unique relic quest line and content, and while it was not met with popular approval (at least at first) one has to admit more went into the Eureka weapons for content design then ever went into the Anima weapons which was nothing more than spam already existing content. tldr I think DNC and GNB are hardly 'limited' in anyway shape or form, and the main driving issue for Hrothgar and Viera are their hairstyle issues as it was stated when those races were released they would have limited headgear capabilities.

[ShadowNyx3]

There's this obsession that Blue Mage is supposed to be able to solo anything that I just don't understand. The Masked Carnivale is clearly the solo-centered content designed for Blue Mage. Upon its initial release, I can understand the frustration when the Carnivale was the only real content to do but getting all of the skills required people to join parties that didn't promote using full Blue teams. However, with this latest update, we've seen a concerted effort to allow Blue Mages to more easily access party based content with other Blue Mages and get rewarded for doing so. The job is much more fleshed out and has an array of things you can choose to do with it.

I greatly enjoyed teaming up and tackling older fights as a team of Blue Mages this patch. It's a unique experience that puts a satisfying twist on older content by limiting the amount of skills you're able to use and forcing you to handle mechanics differently because of the untraditional party composition. Personally, the nostalgic value of progressing through older fights was a hit for me, but I know others who enjoyed being able to experience the game's older battles in a synced setting for the first time. If that's not "making dead content more appealing" then I'm not sure what is.

[HyoMinPark]

You're welcome to enjoy the jobs as they are, but I personally do not find them unique, and are lacking very noticeably when compared to any other existing job.

I disagree.

I assume you and anyone who likes your post, prefers having BLU savage content, BLU Only parties instead of DNC glamour weapons and DNC sounds.

Perhaps you shouldn’t assume. Haven’t you ever heard of what happens when one assumes?

I don’t give a flip about BLU or any of the content it offers. I haven’t even touched it since I leveled it to 50 the first week it was released back in Stormblood. I just don’t think that changing DNC’s sounds is something that the developers should focus on. I can get behind them adding in more weapons for glamour—or more outfits that are generally more in line with a DNC aesthetic. I’ve been a huge advocate of crafted primal weapons for both it and GNB, and have posted about it several times on this platform. But changing the sounds? Why don’t they focus instead on balancing it and the rest of the physical ranged against the other DPS jobs first? Or some of these glamour options that you would like to see? The sounds aren’t an issue.

DNC sounds are not a complaint I can say I’ve ever seen until you brought them up. It’s very likely that it’s a thing many don’t even care about. And, as I said, changing sounds can have more negative impact than good. See: GNB sound changes and combat voice changes.

I was not complaining about the visual appearance of DNC animations. If you read the post you would have noticed

You literally said that the animations were lacking, to which I directly contested by saying “I don’t think they’re lacking at all”.

Animations-
Following the previously mentioned issue, GNB and DNC lack also in the animation department. Actions like Flare, Holy, Circle of Scorn, the screen does a little shake for those actions, adding to the flare and uniqueness of the job, giving them that extra "umph" if you so please. GNB and DNC, completely lack any unique animations. In fact, GNB the animations for their combo, look almost exactly identical. These were issues brought up about 1.0 and now have returned....

If you want DNC’s “equivalent” of Flare, Holy, CoS, then it’s either of the Finishes or Saber Dance. Those are it’s animations that give it this “umph” you want. It doesn’t need giant balls of exploding lights to make it look nice, and I don’t see any need to change or edit animations to fulfill this desire to make things “more flashy”.

(The screen also doesn’t visibly shake when you do things like the attacks you’ve listed. Our screens are static unless we opt to move the camera around ourselves while we’re using the skills. I’ve Holy spammed in dungeons enough to say with confidence that my screen doesn’t shake when I’m doing it.)

Maybe read what you actually wrote before you accuse me of being the one who isn’t reading. Thank you.

What I dont appreciate is someone saying "DNC visual animations are fine, I dont want them to be more flashy" and then everyone liking that post, because that was not the topic at all, and derails the thread, so Square-Enix just will see the highest voted comment and disregard the thread, and when the highest voted comment is completely off topic its counter productive.

It’s not a thread derailment or off-topic when your opening post directly addresses DNC (and GNB) animations and claim that they are lacking. I replied to the part of your post that was applicable and relevant to me: I main DNC—I have since ShB dropped. I don’t really play Viera or Hrothgar characters enough to say more than “hairstyle limitations are dumb” and “locking Hrothgar behind Fantasia-ing to change their hair because hair and face are locked together harder than Au Ra horns and face is super dumb”, but those have both been repeated ad nauseam on these forums that I think the developers know people are unhappy with them. I don’t really care about BLU, nor do I dabble in it enough to speak on it with any sort of authority, so I didn’t address your concerns with it.

I’m terribly sorry that some people agree with my opinions and not yours. If you didn’t want to hear opposing opinions and just wanted an echo chamber, you really came to the wrong place.

I can agree with some of the things you said, but I disagree when it comes to DNC sounds and animations.

[Cetek14]

While i can't agree that GNB and DNC have poor animations, the rest is true. You can clearly see they no longer put their hearts into the game, they just try to keep the game alive for as much time as humanly possible with the least possible effort.
It's worth it to resub once a year for main story (team responsible for story is doing excellent job), but beside that it's no longer that good game as it once was.
And let's not forget about Gunbreaker with club sound effects, even though it uses sword.

[Noitems]

1-5% of the playerbase doing Savage seems really small. Is there a lucky bancho graph showing that? I know Bancho records it on Mount obtainment/Final floor achievement (since it's an actual factor), but I see waaaay more people then just 5% at max doing savage, especially now with E1-E4 being much easier then older tiers.

The only time I noticed an animation issue was during 5.0 with Gunbreaker. It seems like they were using the same running animation for Samurai, and the walking animation made us look like we were on ice. I believe the issue was mainly for lalafell, but come 5.1 we had new animations matching the other races and it worked out.

The animations for DNC and GNB on their own are fine, however the switch for GNB's sounds need to be addressed. After hearing the old 5.0 sounds I really feel that they had a lot of weight with the gunshots. Though I feel 5.1 did bring some sounds I really enjoyed (like Burst Strike and Fated) and I feel should be kept.

Blue Mage is the trickiest piece of content and I know there are people still doing it, but the majority seems to either not have it leveled to that 60, or hasn't obtained all of the spells. Locking the rez spell to the Carnivale is a HUGE roadblock for people who want to attempt the savage tiers, and it was a very dumb idea since the fight before the final one was way harder to the finale. I feel that if they made the spell earned from clearing the last challenge only the boost in people attempting synced savage would go up exponentially.

That being said I do still enjoy the content, however I would like going forward a refinement of what we have, then going headfirst into new things least we get another crowd reaction similar to Eureka.

[Daniolaut]

I disagree.

You disagree, but you just failed to elaborate. I would prefer if you elaborated so a discussion could be made, or people who like your post are actually liking something on topic.

Perhaps you shouldn’t assume. Haven’t you ever heard of what happens when one assumes?

I don’t give a flip about BLU or any of the content it offers. I haven’t even touched it since I leveled it to 50 the first week it was released back in Stormblood. I just don’t think that changing DNC’s sounds is something that the developers should focus on. I can get behind them adding in more weapons for glamour—or more outfits that are generally more in line with a DNC aesthetic. I’ve been a huge advocate of crafted primal weapons for both it and GNB, and have posted about it several times on this platform. But changing the sounds? Why don’t they focus instead on balancing it and the rest of the physical ranged against the other DPS jobs first? Or some of these glamour options that you would like to see? The sounds aren’t an issue.

DNC sounds are not a complaint I can say I’ve ever seen until you brought them up. It’s very likely that it’s a thing many don’t even care about. And, as I said, changing sounds can have more negative impact than good. See: GNB sound changes and combat voice changes.

Your comment implies the very thing I stated. Let me quote the TLDR for you again, that was in the Original Post: Are you willing to give up Job animations uniqueness, and glamour options, Race uniqueness, and more glamour options for content like Blue Mage savage mount.

Key word there "like" implying very specifically, the given content of the thread, for content that is made for a very very small portion of the game. And before you try to pull the other off topic argument, I'm aware savage has its place, I personally need, it I personally dont care for dungeons but I'm not asking them to stop making dungeons. The general idea, is them taking away from existing popular content, then adding to unpopular content, or creating unpopular content. This not something I think they should be doing. Take away from unpopular content to make unpopular content, and take away from popular content to make popular content. Or better yet, dont remove anything, and just make successful things higher quality, and unsuccessful content (such as the original diadem) and create new things there. I"m not going to perfectly align up all my examples cause ... people should just use common sense.

You literally said that the animations were lacking, to which I directly contested by saying “I don’t think they’re lacking at all”.

I didnt literally say animations were lacking. I mentioned DNC and I mentioned animations. What I said specifically, and I quote myself again
" Actions like Flare, Holy, Circle of Scorn, the screen does a little shake for those actions"
Meaning DNC lacks this unique trait. I also said DNC animations are all very similar. nothing unique about them compared to their other animations so nothing stands out. All of them are just overly flashy, which makes DNC fun, because it lacks, again in my opinion, in mechanics, so if you dont need to watch your hotbar at all, at least you can watch something flashy, which in that regard, it is successful. It just doesnt have any unique animation that breaks up the same old flashy flash.

If you want DNC’s “equivalent” of Flare, Holy, CoS, then it’s either of the Finishes or Saber Dance. Those are it’s animations that give it this “umph” you want. It doesn’t need giant balls of exploding lights to make it look nice.

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I'll try to take a look, thanks for saying something productive finally.

Maybe read what you actually wrote before you accuse me of being the one who isn’t reading. Thank you.

I did read, and I understood, you were the one who didnt.

[Vahlnir]

I have a few more gripes than usual with this expansion, mainly some of what you have listed specifically, but overall I don't feel as though it is half baked. However, I do feel that the game deserves more than they give it.

[MeanDragon]

Snip lots of stuff lol .

Thank you! I was going to point out the same thing. A whole paragraph about animations was in there. You quoted them AND they are still saying they didn't say that!?

It is hard sometimes to talk to people. It's best just to disengage when stuff like that happens. You won't get anywhere.

Anyway about the shaking thing, I think there is a setting in there that you can give a motion effect to the flashier attacks. I could be wrong, though, because I would leave it off.

[HyoMinPark]

You disagree, but you just failed to elaborate. I would prefer if you elaborated so a discussion could be made, or people who like your post are actually liking something of value.

I think DNC is unique enough on its own. I don’t think it looks just like BRD or MCH, the other two physical ranged. It very clearly has its own aesthetic and it’s own kind of gameplay that no other job in this game has. The Steps themselves are different enough to set it apart from other DPS jobs. It may have homogenized utility in Shield Samba, but that’s about it. I cannot pin-point anything that makes it feel overly homogenized with the other jobs within its role. It doesn’t have a DoT or Queen gimmick like MCH does—its gimmick is its dances and steps.

Your comment implies the very thing I stated. Let me quote the TLDR for you again, that was in the Original Post: Are you willing to give up Job animations uniqueness, and glamour options, Race uniqueness, and more glamour options for content like Blue Mage savage mount.

No, it doesn’t. It’s you creating an assumption. If I said I preferred BLU content, one would think I would have said so. But did I? No. I didn’t even mention BLU. You were the one who drew your own conclusions about what I said.

I don’t care about BLU, but I doubt that things like animations, glamour, and all the issues with Viera and Hrothgar are caused simply because BLU has a mount.

The animations are a non-issue. I’m not going to further address them.

With the weapons, the developers claimed previously that they did not add in crafted primal weapons for GNB and DNC when they were added due to time constraints. This was not elaborated to even have anything to do with BLU, but they did say that perhaps in the future they will add some. I would like to think that they haven’t forgotten what they said, or that the words weren’t empty.

With Viera and Hrothgar, I honestly think they bit off way more than they could choose by trying to appeal to the subset of players that have wanted Viera since the teaser images appeared during HW and the subset of players that wanted a more beastial race. I think both would have been more complete—less limitations and with both genders available—if they had just focused on one for 5.0 and one for 6.0. I don’t think BLU‘s mount had anything to do with them ending up the mess they are now.

Key word there "like" implying very specifically, the given content of the thread, for content that is made for a very very small portion of the game. And before you try to pull the other off topic argument, I'm aware savage has its place, I personally need, it I personally dont care for dungeons but I'm not asking them to stop making dungeons.

I wasn’t even going to bring up Savage. You’re confusing my replies with the replies of someone else you were bickering with in this thread.

What I brought up isn’t off-topic when you list it in your opening post and I directly respond to it.

The general idea, is them taking away from existing popular content, then adding to unpopular content, or creating unpopular content. This not something I think they should be doing. Take away from unpopular content to make unpopular content, and take away from popular content to make popular content. Or better yet, dont remove anything, and just make successful things higher quality, and unsuccessful content (such as the original diadem) and create new things there. I"m not going to perfectly align up all my examples cause ... people should just use common sense.

This is a theme park MMO. It’s designed to have things that appeal to all kinds of different players. While I can agree that BLU itself is not the most popular of contents available (in my opinion, anyways), people are doing it. While the developers can be extremely stubborn about some things and just not let them go, I wonder if they would have bothered with an update if there wasn’t at least a subset of the playerbase that wanted a BLU update. It’s not up to you or I to really define “popular” and “unpopular” content—nor is it up to us to dictate what they should take away from to implement something else.

I can agree with increasing the quality of future content—but I have already expressed sentiments many times in the past about this with regards to various different types of content, and I feel like diving too deep into it here will just be me repeating myself. If I thought it would be plausible to suggest them take more time to work on things they plan to implement, I would make the suggestion. But patches are already so dry and lacking that I don’t think patch cycles need to be any further apart than what they are now.

The most I can suggest is them perhaps giving the dev team more bodies so they can have more people working on newer content. And perhaps also asking their playerbase for feedback. I’ve always agreed with the idea of a player test server.

I didnt literally say animations were lacking.

You did, though. You said they were lacking in the animations department. I quoted and bolded where you wrote that, my dude.

I mentioned DNC and I mentioned animations. What I said specifically, and I quote myself again
" Actions like Flare, Holy, Circle of Scorn, the screen does a little shake for those actions"
Meaning DNC lacks this unique trait.

I already quoted you. You didn’t need to quote yourself again. I read what you said, and responded to it.

So, what of the other jobs aside from BLM, WHM, and PLD? Are they all also lacking? Or are you just wanting to focus on DNC and GNB here? I don’t think either job needs “the screen to shake” to make them feel unique in their animations.

I also said DNC animations are all very similar. nothing unique about them compared to their other animations so nothing stands out.

I contested this as well in my first post—I don’t think the animations all look the same.

All of them are just overly flashy, which makes DNC fun, because it lacks, again in my opinion, in mechanics, so if you dont need to watch your hotbar at all, at least you can watch something flashy, which in that regard, it is successful. It just doesnt have any unique animation that breaks up the same old flashy flash.

“Lacks in mechanics”? You do realize that DNCs have several mechanics they have to watch for, right? We have to watch for procs. We have to watch for when Standard Step and Technical Step come off cooldown. We have to keep up with Flourish and use it on cooldown. We have to watch our Fourfold Feathers and Esprit gauges and avoid overcapping both with simultaneously pooling the resources for burst windows. There are quite a few things that the job has to watch out for. I have to ask you: have you actually played this job?

I'll try to take a look, thanks for saying something productive finally.

Just because you disagree with the things I said doesn’t mean I was trying to be unproductive.

I did read, and I understood, you were the one who didnt.

No, I understood perfectly what you were saying. You think DNC animations are lacking and that they should have some “umph” to them alongside the lines of things like Flare and Holy. Sorry, I disagree. I think they are fine as they are, and I don’t think the sounds accompany them need changing.

[Daniolaut]

ink .

I think DNC is unique enough on its own. .

I will say it as simple as I can.

I did mention Dancer and I did mention animations.

What I did not do, and what I have been saying I did not do, is say DNC’s animations are not flashy.

Which is not the topic of my original post, but is the focus of the comment made regarding its animations that I am contesting.

So here one last time.

DNC’s animations, visually are fine. Except. They are not unique in sound, but also look all very similar to Dancers other animations. They also lack a unique trait that other jobs have like. The screen shake of flare.

I could give other examples, but this is not the topic of the thread!