Half baked, it has to be said.

[Daniolaut]

To me, while the story, and certain aspects of this expansion exceed the quality of other expansions, there is something lacking, and I feel its important to say.

Half baked

I'm sorry I have to say this. This is not out of frustration, or anger, but out of solid disappointment.


I know not everyone is going to agree, but I think its important to recognize the significance of these points, as if this trend were to continue, we will begin to see more and more unfinished and unfleshed out parts of other articles of content.

Most importantly, if we are getting less dungeons, unfleshed out jobs, unfleshed out races, less content overall,

what are we getting instead?
And do we enjoy said content?

>>Look at Blue Mage.

How many people are actually doing alexander savage as Blue Mage?

I think it was said 1-5% of the playerbase does savage, and lets say 80% of the playerbase levels Blue Mage, which is 100% a wrong number but I'm purposefully inflating it for this point, how many of those 80% of people leveling BLU are doing savage with it? 1-5%? so going off that, we're looking around less than 1% of the playerbase to at maximum 3% of the playerbase who is doing savage for the mount. Is this what we want?

Conversely how many people are Hrothgar, how many are Viera? how many do dungeons? I personally feel content, races, glamour, and most importantly jobs, should absolutely take presidence over content created for less than 1% -3% of the playerbase.
To me Hrothgar, Viera, Gunbreaker and Dancer all feel like limited jobs and races.

I am very disappointed in these four aspects of the expansion. I feel these were very poorly implemented, and clearly rushed.

While I do not play as Hrothgar or Viera, I could not imagine being either race.

Race:

Hair-
Each race severely lack in hairstyle options, including but not limited to the purchased ones from the mogstation. I find this a critical issue, as some people have paid a premium amount for hair styles, and character changes, (fantasia's) and are unable to utilize them on a specific race. We are going into 5.2 and there seems to be no actions about addressing these issues....
Headgear-
Each race, not only does not have access to numerous pieces of headgear, but It is also important to note, that some outfits, such as Darksteel or other similar models were released so that the head of these races were able to come out and clip through the head piece of the gear, which was, to say the least, a very disturbing sight.
Outfits-
Lastly, Hrothgar and Viera both completely lack their own race specific hempen sets, which this isnt as large of an issue as the above mentioned, but now my personal opinion, should either 100% get their own designed, or all races should have unlocked hempen sets, as it is not right for Roegadyn and Hyur to have to share while no other race can. (or conversely, Hrothgar and Viera lack unique sets.)


Jobs:

Sounds-
To me the sounds of GNB and DNC are lacking greatly. Thinking of actions like Flare, Holy, Circle of Scorn, Midare Setsugekka, Mudra, and such, GNB and DNC to me, lack significantly in the sound aspect of the job. Each action sounds almost identical, and nothing seems unique.
Animations-
Following the previously mentioned issue, GNB and DNC lack also in the animation department. Actions like Flare, Holy, Circle of Scorn, the screen does a little shake for those actions, adding to the flare and uniqueness of the job, giving them that extra "umph" if you so please. GNB and DNC, completely lack any unique animations. In fact, GNB the animations for their combo, look almost exactly identical. These were issues brought up about 1.0 and now have returned....
Weapons-
Probably the most important issue about these jobs to me, are their lack of weapons options. I understand its time consuming to create weapons, but..... the fact that Square-Enix openly stated they have no plans to create primal weapons for these jobs is to me, quite alarming.

"Q54:
Do you have any plans to add crafted primal weapons for gunbreaker and dancer?

A54:
Sorry, we don't have the free resources to account for this at the moment. The character team might slowly work on it between patches, but I can’t say "we’ll do it.""

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ns#post5126751

In closing, Blue Mage is nothing what it was said it was going to be.
Blue Mage is not a solo job. It cannot solo most content other jobs can solo, and if it can, its not any faster.
Blue mage is not Overpowered, see point made above.
Blue Mage is not a party job, but we knew that, yet now they are trying to force us into BLU only parties, and people are now having the very discussions about if they should keep a BLU in party without certain actions, the very reason they said they wanted to make BLU limited in the first place.
What blue mage is turning out to be, is their way of how 2.0 relics were created, something to encourage people to do "dead content" instead of making dead content appealing by adding say a time record so players can compete for world records, and have their names displayed in game. Similar to FFXI. Etc.


TLDR
Are you willing to give up Job animations uniqueness, and glamour options, Race uniqueness, and more glamour options for content like Blue Mage savage mount.

[HyoMinPark]

Idk. I like the DNC animations very much. I don’t think they’re lacking at all. And I don’t need explosions and a bunch of nonsense while I’m throwing my chakrams.

I don’t really know how you can say DNC lacks unique animations. All of them are different from one another, down to each of our steps during Standard and Technical. I think the combos and their animations flow incredibly well—they don’t have that jarring appearance when you interrupt one with an oGCD like some jobs do.

And changing sounds for jobs is a double-edged sword. Have you seen the complaints that arose when they changed the GNB sounds?

[Daniolaut]

Idk. I like the DNC animations very much. I don’t think they’re lacking at all.

I don’t really know how you can say DNC lacks unique animations.

In regards to DNC specifically,

I'm referring to their lack of weapons glamour, and their lack of sounds. The job is very basic, and then while yes the animations visually are appealing and fantastic, their sounds are all identical.

GNB on the other hand, completely lacks both in my opinion.

You're welcome to enjoy the jobs as they are, but I personally do not find them unique, and are lacking very noticeably when compared to any other existing job.

I assume you and anyone who likes your post, prefers having BLU savage content, BLU Only parties instead of DNC glamour weapons and DNC sounds.

I hope we continue to give proper feedback on this topic so Square-Enix can make the correct decisions moving forward when creating content, and new jobs and races.

(as this was the topic of the thread. I was not complaining about the visual appearance of DNC animations. If you read the post you would have noticed, that it was about how in certain ways the new jobs and races are lacking when compared to existing ones, and what content we are getting instead of completely fleshed out content. Such as BLU mage savage content, and if we prefer to get BLU savage parties instead of say Primal weapons, unique hempen sets for Hrothgar and Viera, etc. I mean, I even made it clear with the TLDR... but here we are, pulling out DNC visual animations, when I didnt even touch on that. Thank you for derailing the thread with the first comment.)

thank you.

I assume some people do like apples over oranges, but that doesn't make them the same thing.

Thank you for derailing the thread even more.

I am not talking about BLU specifically, or DNC visual animations. I'm referring to the overall issue, of,

The fact, that GNB, DNC, Hrothgar, Viera, lack when compared to existing races and jobs. Its a fact.

And then what we are getting instead. Examples given, BLU savage...

I could give more examples, but I expect you would nitpick those examples instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Yeah personally I'd have to put dancer sound effects at a super low priority. It has never entered my mind as something lacking.

I might be weird but I'm loving the 2nd release of blu content lol. It's one of my favorite things in the game now but filling blu-only parties for some of its content can be hard. I need to remember to make PFs in the weekend.

My personal resource management request would be going all-in one the 'relic' type upgradable stuff. More variety in the activities to upgrade, more customisation in the result such as make the dye change the glow color.

While I dont agree with you, this is something I can appreciate, you give solid reasoning and statements of what you like and dont mind. Instead of pulling something that I didnt say, or saying something completely off topic. A genuine thank you. No sarcasm.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I assume you and anyone who likes your post, prefers having BLU savage content, BLU Only parties instead of DNC glamour weapons and DNC sounds.

I assume some people do like apples over oranges, but that doesn't make them the same thing.

[Rufalus]

I assume you and anyone who likes your post, prefers having BLU savage content, BLU Only parties instead of DNC glamour weapons and DNC sounds.

I hope we continue to give proper feedback on this topic so Square-Enix can make the correct decisions moving forward when creating content, and new jobs and races.

thank you.

Yeah personally I'd have to put dancer sound effects at a super low priority. It has never entered my mind as something lacking.

I might be weird but I'm loving the 2nd release of blu content lol. It's one of my favorite things in the game now but filling blu-only parties for some of its content can be hard. I need to remember to make PFs in the weekend.

My personal resource management request would be going all-in one the 'relic' type upgradable stuff. More variety in the activities to upgrade, more customisation in the result such as make the dye change the glow color.

[Jybril]

IMO, the only good thing about this expansion was the story and the crafting changes.
Can't say that I like much else. Feels like we're getting less and less in general as we go.
I'd hope with the success of SHB they can step it up. :/

[SannaR]

To the TLDR yes because not everyone enjoys the same things. Or notices/minds some things you've listed as a negative. Also I'm not sure how they were derailing the thread and you're not going to get many who'll agree with you if you start saying anyone who doesn't agree that these things are a problem for them as doing so.

[Risvertasashi]

TLDR
Are you willing to give up Job animations uniqueness, and glamour options, Race uniqueness, and more glamour options for content like Blue Mage savage mount.

You can use this argument to do away with endgame content entirely. And some games do.

Personally, I think there should be "stretch goals", content to really test your mettle, etc. Even if most people don't do it (and they don't), I like games that offer an option to step up your game, challenge yourself, and get the rewards that come with it.

[Daniolaut]

You can use this argument to do away with endgame content entirely. And some games do.

Personally, I think there should be "stretch goals", content to really test your mettle, etc. Even if most people don't do it (and they don't), I like games that offer an option to step up your game, challenge yourself, and get the rewards that come up with it.

Wow, just wow. I normally very much appreciate your comments, but this is the first I am stunned by.

I was not even coming close to implying Savage content is not important. I personally do savage, and without it, I would likely quit the game entirely. I need the challenge.

What I was saying, is do we want, lets say, Eureka instead of a unique relic quest line. or, The Firmament instead of crafted primal weapons, what else, hunts instead of more fleshed out savage zones, whatever you like to pick and pull that Square-Enix has cut back on, in efforts to create something new and "fresh."

I genuinely like certain things, but them taking away from GNB and DNC I think was a bad move. I dont play Hrothgar or Viera so I could care less, but I couldnt imagine being one of the thousands of people who do, and then come to find out I cant use a certain haircut.

That was the topic.

And yet you don't see the very flaw in your argument?

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This was not an argument, This was me expressing my disappointment.

You're telling me because I like a certain part of the game, I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on the forums, which is the place I'm supposed to do that very thing, so others can like or comment, preferably on topic, so Square-Enix can get a grasp of whats important?

What I dont appreciate is someone saying "DNC visual animations are fine, I dont want them to be more flashy" and then everyone liking that post, because that was not the topic at all, and derails the thread, so Square-Enix just will see the highest voted comment and disregard the thread, and when the highest voted comment is completely off topic its counter productive.

Same for your comment. I wasnt implying they remove savage. The furthest from it. I was saying, that this is something I feel they shouldnt have changed. Especially for the content they seem to have replaced their efforts with. BLU savage is a fun idea, sure, but they should have made BLU what they said it would be, an overpowered solo job, that can 1 shot a boss. I mean Yoshida said "use level 5 death" on some boss, so it cant be a normal job. I dont feel like finding that quote, its given knowledge, especially seeing as how many complaints were about skills not working on boss' and that being the reason BLU was supposed to be overpowered.

If people came here saying they enjoy the firmament and BLU savage instead of finished jobs, then by all means. But instead we're talking about removing savage, and DNC animations shouldnt be even more flashy.

[Risvertasashi]

Wow, just wow. I normally very much appreciate your comments, but this is the first I am stunned by.

I was not even coming close to implying Savage content is not important. I personally do savage, and without it, I would likely quit the game entirely. I need the challenge.

What I was saying, is do we want, lets say, Eureka instead of a unique relic quest line. or, The Firmament instead of crafted primal weapons, what else, hunts instead of more fleshed out savage zones, whatever you like to pick and pull that Square-Enix has cut back on, in efforts to create something new and "fresh."

I genuinely like certain things, but them taking away from GNB and DNC I think was a bad move. I dont play Hrothgar or Viera so I could care less, but I couldnt imagine being one of the thousands of people who do, and then come to find out I cant use a certain haircut.

That was the topic.

And yet you don't see the very flaw in your argument?

I need my challenging content, but those other people shouldn't get it! -- Really though, it's fairly common on these forums: "Focus on the content I enjoy." But the nature of an MMO is many different people with different interests play, and for some people out there, that thing you really think the game could do without is the best part.

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Personally, I'd enjoy several of your ideas there. But I've also enjoyed several of the things you suggested be cut.

For more high end content, personally I'd like to see "savage" or similar 4-person content. But I'm not going to ask SE to scrap things others enjoy to make it happen.