PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[Alaeacus]

But after one wipe a good tank can adjust down even with a bad healer...

You haven't seen some of the healers I've seen, spamming one low level cure spell in ShB leveling dungeons while wearing HW gear. A tank can adjust to a lot of bad healers, but we aren't miracle workers. :P

[Lambdafish]

Now obviously this is the sign of a bad tank not knowing what mitigation buttons he should be using when, but it does happen and I freaking hate it.

So lets see... a bad tank wouldn't be doing it because they are a bad tank, and a good tank shouldn't be doing it because they have far better alternatives and DPS spells are far more valuable. I don't have the math (so someone can correct me if even this is wrong), but unless you are specifically coordinating with your co-healer, all you are doing by using clemency is wasting DPS and causing overheal. No thanks.

Tanks should be using HG then cycling their cooldowns. The one time they should be using clemency is when they have to pop divine veil and the healer cant/wont

[Yorumi]

You haven't seen some of the healers I've seen, spamming one low level cure spell in ShB leveling dungeons while wearing HW gear. A tank can adjust to a lot of bad healers, but we aren't miracle workers. :P

It's sort of incredible what you see in duty finder. Healers do a little better just because of how OP healing is. Still they can be laughable at times. I've done some healing recently despite the boredom just to beat queues and dear god the tanks. I've had tanks pull one pack at a time and still be taking so much damage that I can't use any dps spells. I'm just sitting there dumbfounded thinking how in the hell did you even meet the ilvl requirement of the dungeon while taking so much damage?

[Alaeacus]

It's sort of incredible what you see in duty finder. Healers do a little better just because of how OP healing is. Still they can be laughable at times. I've done some healing recently despite the boredom just to beat queues and dear god the tanks. I've had tanks pull one pack at a time and still be taking so much damage that I can't use any dps spells. I'm just sitting there dumbfounded thinking how in the hell did you even meet the ilvl requirement of the dungeon while taking so much damage?

Or those players whose gear is a decent item level, but almost completely broken (needs repaired). Lol

[Bright-Flower]

So lets see... a bad tank wouldn't be doing it because they are a bad tank, and a good tank shouldn't be doing it because they have far better alternatives and DPS spells are far more valuable. I don't have the math (so someone can correct me if even this is wrong), but unless you are specifically coordinating with your co-healer, all you are doing by using clemency is wasting DPS and causing overheal. No thanks.

Tanks should be using HG then cycling their cooldowns. The one time they should be using clemency is when they have to pop divine veil and the healer cant/wont

Or when the healers are just down and you're helping keep people up through the end of a fight or until a rdm/smn can get the healers up.

[Derio]

Did the OP say anything to the tank?

Or even recommend smaller pulls?

If you stand back and let it happen then it will happen.

[Lambdafish]

Or when the healers are just down and you're helping keep people up through the end of a fight or until a rdm/smn can get the healers up.

Oh yeah, that too I guess xD. It is a great bit of emergency utility.

[Aurelius2625]

HEALERS! YOU HAVE HEALING ABILITIES AND SPELLS FOR A REASON!

There, I fixed your topic for you.

I ain't cucking what little damage tanks do because some milktoast healer won't push their buttons because they are too much of an ape/chimp. Heal more.

[Bright-Flower]

Oh yeah, that too I guess xD. It is a great bit of emergency utility.

Some of my favorite memories of the game have been using clemency to save a failing run. Usually during dungeon bosses when healer goes down and I use it to keep us up, but once solod the last 5% of O12 normal (well, last 5% of Omega F's health bar not 5% of the whole fight) when the rest of the raid wiped keeping myself up with cooldowns and clemency through the aoe spam.

I don't touch clemency when things are going well, but it's a blast when things go south and I have a reason to pop it out.

[Fluffernuff]

I'm... not even going to touch OP with a 10 foot pole, but as for "tactical" uses of Clemency, there's 1 niche that hasn't been touched on yet;
Room-wide aggro.


Healing spells generate 50% potency as enmity to *every enemy in combat*

or to put that in practical terms: you can clemency and generate enmity (and with tank stance) likely get aggro on an add more than 25y away...
or just spawning in...
or without repositioning...
Or multiple adds within a single GCD, something beyond provoke or shield lob could ever hope to do.

by simply overhealing yourself with 1 GCD.

it's *extremely* niche and screws with your rotation, but it's there. GNB has aurora. WAR has equilibrium. PLD can do it, too. DRK just... cries in the corner, i guess.