Child-like characters?

[AngeliouxRein]

I get why SE wouldn't want to do it, but I'm sorta baffled by players arguing against it.

Creepy people will be creepy, no matter what they look like.

Then again, my brain is probably rotten from decades of watching anime of questionable quality.

This comment is exactly how I feel. I get the sneaking suspicion that if I say I wanted a loli/shota race, somehow I would be called a perv. I can't help that I always loved to play small/ cutesy races. They're just so damn cute and that's all. For me, it's way more entertaining seeing a character like that roll up as the almighty powerful one than a typical hulking character. No one expects the small/frail like character to be the hero but everyone expects a hulk/superman person to be the hero. It mixes it up.

I just don't get the overly western crowd of gamers I guess.

[Yencat]

This comment is exactly how I feel. I get the sneaking suspicion that if I say I wanted a loli/shota race, somehow I would be called a perv. I can't help that I always loved to play small/ cutesy races. They're just so damn cute and that's all. For me, it's way more entertaining seeing a character like that roll up as the almighty powerful one than a typical hulking character. No one expects the small/frail like character to be the hero but everyone expects a hulk/superman person to be the hero. It mixes it up.

I just don't get the overly western crowd of gamers I guess.

You're a female Au Ra though? Not sure how much more small and frail you could get.

[AngeliouxRein]

You're a female Au Ra though? Not sure how much more small and frail you could get.

You mean how everyone kept crying for Viera to be added and a good chunk of the player base kept telling you to play an elezen? How they are literally the same height but the only difference is the ears and for some, Viera are slightly prettier?

Those of us who want a short race only have one option. I play both lala and Au Ra but that doesn't change the fact that lala is too short and Au Ra are still too tall for what I am looking for. Sure, Au Ra has the frail look but too tall. Lala has the cuteness I want but too small. There is an awful lot of things that look like they just smashed it down to fit a lala and that messes up a lot of the glam options. Then on Au Ra, those same glams might look better but it's not giving me that overly cute appeal. Hence, why I would love for there to be a race that is right in between the two.

In anime MMOs they're simply known as a loli/shota and every one of those games nails it. But somehow, SE went all around it.

[Yencat]

You mean how everyone kept crying for Viera to be added and a good chunk of the player base kept telling you to play an elezen? How they are literally the same height but the only difference is the ears and for some, Viera are slightly prettier?

Those of us who want a short race only have one option. I play both lala and Au Ra but that doesn't change the fact that lala is too short and Au Ra are still too tall for what I am looking for. Sure, Au Ra has the frail look but too tall. Lala has the cuteness I want but too small. There is an awful lot of things that look like they just smashed it down to fit a lala and that messes up a lot of there glam options. Then on Au Ra, those same glams might look better but it's not giving me that overly cute appeal. Hence, why I would love for there to be a race that is right in between the two.

In anime MMOs they're simply known as a loli/shota and every one of those games nails it. But somehow, SE went all around it.

Alright, calm down I was honestly just asking lol I also never asked for Viera to be added but hey, here we are.

So something sized like the Elin from TERA or Lyn from Blade & Soul minus the animal features?

[AngeliouxRein]

Alright, calm down I was honestly just asking lol I also never asked for Viera to be added but hey, here we are.

So something sized like the Elin from TERA or Lyn from Blade & Soul minus the animal features?

Apologies for coming off too strong but I just wanted to get my point across. But, yes, games like Tera, BnS and many others I have played or seen are what I'm talking about. And like @Halivel mentioned, there's an entire gap in height that could be filled with a race that fits it. Lalafells for me has always been perceived as chibi. Au Ra, unfortunately, misses the height and just leaves me wanting for something in the middle of them.

[Yencat]

Apologies for coming off too strong but I just wanted to get my point across. But, yes, games like Tera, BnS and many others I have played or seen are what I'm talking about. And like @Halivel mentioned, there's an entire gap in height that could be filled with a race that fits it. Lalafells for me has always been perceived as chibi. Au Ra, unfortunately, misses the height and just leaves me wanting for something in the middle of them.

If they're serious about not adding more races I suppose your best bet would be to hope for them to expand the height slider ranges then maybe. Would that work?

[AngeliouxRein]

If they're serious about not adding more races I suppose your best bet would be to hope for them to expand the height slider ranges then maybe. Would that work?

I'm of the camp of people that would love more character customization options for something like this to be pulled off. I wouldn't mind a slider that would allow me to be the height that I want but my fear then is if the features we currently have would even make sense for that height. Just scaling a character down to the height doesn't guarantee that everything would look proportional. They would most likely have to add more facial and body features for it to work. And they would have to do this for all the races.

I don't understand developer work so I don't know which would be more difficult. A new race or sliders? Either way, if they somehow receive more budget for this to be done I would be happy with a slider or a race. But I am leaning more towards another small race since lala is our only small race.

[Halivel]

You're a female Au Ra though? Not sure how much more small and frail you could get.

Possible at least in height. We still have the gap of about 50 cm between minimum female Au Ra (148 cm) and maximum Lalafells (90+ or near to this) that isn't touched by any race.

In anime MMOs they're simply known as a loli/shota and every one of those games nails it. But somehow, SE went all around it.

That's just an assumption, but looking how some people react at Lalafells, female Auri and female Miqo'te, western part of community, most likely, is pretty much the reason why we don't have anything inbetween Lalafells and Auri. To avoid undesireable... consequences.

[AngeliouxRein]

That's just an assumption, but looking how some people react at Lalafells, female Auri and female Miqo'te, western part of community, most likely, is pretty much the reason why we don't have anything inbetween Lalafells and Auri. To avoid undesireable... consequences.

I'm not oblivious to creeps being in every game I play. I know that not everyone sees loli/shota type of characters the same as the next person. The main point I was getting at is, it's not a big deal. That's like when people were saying Hrothgar should've never been added because it would only attract those who see that entire race as a fetish. If every time developers allow the presence of creeps (or people bothered by them) to dictate what race they should add, in order to avoid creeps as much as possible, we would probably only have Hyur and even that's questionable.

If SE has a certain image of characters that they want in their game and want to strictly follow that then fine. I'll respect it. But it begs the question of where is this line being drawn for another short race to be added? Can they not just whip up a lore and give them a non-child related presence? Could they not just give them features that clearly differentiate from a normal kid like they do Lalafell?

Au Ra is a race that is completely unique to this series and I would love it if they kept it going by adding another unique race that's short. I'm not asking for a child race, I'm specifically asking for another short race, that does not have a teddy bear-like body. Lala's have that covered lol

[Halivel]

I'm not oblivious to creeps being in every game I play. I know that not everyone sees loli/shota type of characters the same as the next person. The main point I was getting at is, it's not a big deal. That's like when people were saying Hrothgar should've never been added because it would only attract those who see that entire race as a fetish. If every time developers allow the presence of creeps (or people bothered by them) to dictate what race they should add, in order to avoid creeps as much as possible, we would probably only have Hyur and even that's questionable.

If SE has a certain image of characters that they want in their game and want to strictly follow that then fine. I'll respect it. But it begs the question of where is this line being drawn for another short race to be added? Can they not just whip up a lore and give them a non-child related presence? Could they not just give them features that clearly differentiate from a normal kid like they do Lalafell?

Au Ra is a race that is completely unique to this series and I would love it if they kept it going by adding another unique race that's short. I'm not asking for a child race, I'm specifically asking for another short race, that does not have a teddy bear-like body. Lala's have that covered lol

Tbh by consequences I mean more potentional blacklash than creeps. Creeps are pretty much everywhere, so it's impossible to avoid them completely - you can have the game full of bulky monsters and it still will have its creepy part of community.

But in regards to people just in general, those who don't even play the game but will see a short cute race combined with humanity's love to jump on disgusting conclusions can start their crusade against the company just because they can. I mean... Some people in other game (Granblue Fantasy if it matters) assumed I'm a creep few days ago just because I like cute characters, and some of them are minors. People are... well, they are people.

I am agree that we should either have bigger height slider or one more short race, but I also can see potential problems behind this, sadly. At this point I'm glad I was able to set my irl height on my character at all, which is 160cm. It would be good if it was possible to make shorter than average male character not only for Lalafells and Miqo'te, and partly Midlanders. I could go with female character of course, but I don't play female characters even though I am female myself, so welp... good for me that I like male Miqo'te, otherwise there is a chance I wouldn't have suitable race in the game at all.