Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SenorPatty]

If some people are allowed to break the rules, then there's no reason everyone shouldn't be allowed to break the rules. And if everyone is allowed to break the rules, then the system fails, and things are back to where they started before SE implemented the unskippable cutscenes.

Hmm...yes and no? Before the unskippable cutscenes, we didn't have teleports to boss rooms and people were yelling at other people to catch up. Now we got people who take it upon themselves to advance themselves while anyone who wants to enjoy the cutscenes can do so at their leisure. I will admit though that the one caveat might actually be the fights themselves. Though I have yet to be in that sort of party who managed to kill a boss before the cutscene ends (at most so far, I've seen 3 people skip). Now, if someone where to actually order people to skip too, I'd have a problem with that but so far, haven't met anyone like that. Yet.

So no, not quite the "going back the way things were before".

If you don't want to put in the time for MSQ roulette, DON'T QUEUE FOR IT. It is a very easy concept to understand. The rewards for it are based on the unskippable cutscenes, so no one has any right to complain about having to watch the cutscenes if they want those rewards.

Here's another easy concept to understand: most of the time, nobody puts in the time for MSQ roulette. At least, not in the way most might conventionally think. Specifically Prae. Once you complete the magitek part, movie begins and no one who's been in Prae before a million times is mentally invested. Once that particular sequence starts, people are gaming something else, cooking, cleaning, ordering ubereats, they're watching something on their second screen, you name it. Castrum...hmm, different beast. It's shorter, the cutscenes are shorter, so yes, people are definitely putting time in that one.

I'll agree one thing though: no one should be complaining about the rewards. Whether you decided to be proper and let the cutscenes run their course or skip ahead, I myself roll my eyes at people complaining about msq cutscenes. For the love of god, please shut up. You've been there, you know the cutscenes can't be skipped. Do what you want but when it comes to the cutscenes, please shut.the.hell.up.

[Jimmymagic]

Battle at Big Keep

So I qued for this as dps it was almost 4 hours wait time. Finally pops and I watched cutscene people skipped and started the battle. The timer for advancing to sealed area expired before I finished watching the cutscene. So I couldn't get in the fight or use chat.

The only thing I could do was move my character around. Also on of the healers was with me also got locked out. I watched the fight for about 10 minutes and left. I of course got the 30 minute penalty. I was furious.

I haven't even tried to reque since. BTW this is the quest for Manderville ARR. So like jumping the gun sucks for those who actually like watching some of the cutscene and in my case I got penalized because of the seal timer. Granted I could ve waited to fight finished but i wanted to participate..

I guess nobody really cares about others exp only there own...

[Barraind]

......but why?

Because the ff14 community is dead-set against anything that makes tedious stuff any less tedious.

Its generally the same people that argue high end crafting should always have a chance to fail because crafters make too much money or that personal housing is bad because they cant get the plot they want (its bad for a lot of reasons, but thats not one of them).

[MeanDragon]

Battle at Big Keep

So I qued for this as dps it was almost 4 hours wait time. Finally pops and I watched cutscene people skipped and started the battle. The timer for advancing to sealed area expired before I finished watching the cutscene. So I couldn't get in the fight or use chat.

The only thing I could do was move my character around. Also on of the healers was with me also got locked out. I watched the fight for about 10 minutes and left. I of course got the 30 minute penalty. I was furious.

I haven't even tried to reque since. BTW this is the quest for Manderville ARR. So like jumping the gun sucks for those who actually like watching some of the cutscene and in my case I got penalized because of the seal timer. Granted I could ve waited to fight finished but i wanted to participate..

I guess nobody really cares about others exp only there own...

This happened to me too.
I just sat down and waited for them to finish it. One of the others admonished the tank sayin they need to wait on this one so others don't get locked out, but it was already too late.
I have never been carried before so it was a weird feeling. But hey, I got the through it AND I got the minion from the loot roll.

[Avidria]

This happened to me too.
I just sat down and waited for them to finish it. One of the others admonished the tank sayin they need to wait on this one so others don't get locked out, but it was already too late.
I have never been carried before so it was a weird feeling. But hey, I got the through it AND I got the minion from the loot roll.

This is how I got Enkidu lmao

Watched the cutscene, got locked out... and figured hey, if they're not gonna be considerate and wait, I'm not gonna be considerate at pass on the loot I didn't get to fight for :P

Free green chicken, for zero effort on my part. /Shrug

[DumdogsWorld]

Because the ff14 community is dead-set against anything that makes tedious stuff any less tedious.

Reporting people for breaking rules is not the same thing as wanting the game to be tedious. It just means that they take the rules seriously, where as the people being reported do not.

If you think you can convince YoshiP to remove the cutscene restriction entirely without having people take matters into their own hands and using exploits, be my guest.

[Tsalmaveth]

Reporting people for breaking rules is not the same thing as wanting the game to be tedious. It just means that they take the rules seriously, where as the people being reported do not.

If you think you can convince YoshiP to remove the cutscene restriction entirely without having people take matters into their own hands and using exploits, be my guest.

Removing the cutscene restriction means removing the improved larger rewards. If you don't want the rewards... don't queue for the msq roulette which REQUIRES you to sit through the REQUIRED cutscenes which are WHY there are the larger rewards. You EXPLOIT and skip them then you 100% deserve to be reported and punished. You do not deserve the rewards that have been added for sitting through the cutscenes. It's simple logic.

You don't do the one, you don't get the other.

I actually really do hope that they finish updating ARR and making all of that something that is done with TRUSTS or something so that there are no more mega-rewards at all. Then there aren't any issues like this in the first place. Simple solution. Elegant. And just what everyone deserves at this point.

[DumdogsWorld]

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I'm unsure as to whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with what I said. The tone seems to disagree, but you seem to be repeating the things I've been saying ever since the cutscene restriction was patched in.

[tdb]

IMO forcing the cutscenes on everyone was a bad solution, though undoubtedly an easy one. A better one would have been to make it so they're only skipped if everyone presses the skip button. That way newcomers would get to watch their cutscenes if they want to, but all-veteran parties could skip them and finish the dungeon quickly.

[PeppermintBrown]

IMO forcing the cutscenes on everyone was a bad solution, though undoubtedly an easy one. A better one would have been to make it so they're only skipped if everyone presses the skip button. That way newcomers would get to watch their cutscenes if they want to, but all-veteran parties could skip them and finish the dungeon quickly.

The ideal solution I think is to retool these two 8 man dungeons into solo instances with npc help. With maybe a trial fight at the end just for the second ultimat weapon fight + Lahabrea if they want to keep a climax similar to the expansion final fights. But that would take time. Maybe it'll be in the 5.3 msq updates they're planning for ARR.

Forcing the cutscenes to be unskippable was certainly the easy solution. But also a fair one I think. If you don't want to deal with the cutscenes, there are other ways to get tomes and exp. And having it be variable could lead to issues. LIke kicking new people to open up the ability to skip them. People that just want to redo the full experience again being unable to. And the fact that the rewards are only so high BECAUSE of the time investment. You may bet people joining and then dropping when not able to skip because they don't want to put in the time for the rewards and want the inflated rewards without the time sink.

I really just don't see it as a big deal because it's not like people are compelled to do every roulette every single day. You never have to do Praetorium again after clearing it for your msq if you don't sign up for it.