So, they fix 2B's tights due to community feedback...

[Raven2014]

And this is what separates the good AST from the bad. If you only saw them as situational, then you weren't using them correctly.

In addition to the comment the same poster you replying regarding WHM's lily above, they both came across as from someone who doesn't play the classes at all, or only play it badly. I want to use this opportunity to point our the reality of the "complain" people see on the forums and why the devs sometime doesn't seem to response to them.

- Good players understand their class and know how to optimize to make the most of their kits.

That doesn't mean every classes can work. Sometime even good players still find a class underwhelming. In those case SE did make change, and we have seen quite a few changes both big and small across the board.

The 'community' illusion is often created by the type of post you're responding to. Like I said from people either not playing the class, or playing it badly to the meme. As a WHM main I had lost counts how many time I had to explain to other people Misery is a 'refund' system to encourage WHM to heal 'better', it's not an overheal dump for the big hit. Some of these people are not even bad players, but they simply don't play WHM. The other half is like I said people who play badly. In both case they only heard "Misery is your biggest hit, 3 lily give you a blood, all for the blood lily!". They just blindly follow the 'hype' without actually understand the context of the class. It's one thing for it to be a meme for fun and game (given the countless gif/cartoon on reddit), but it's another thing when people take that as the way the class intended to play. Samething for the old 'fishing Balance' on AST.


People always shout "SE is lazy and never make change" just because SE didn't make the one particular change THEY want, ignoring the fact we already see more adjustment then perhaps any other ex-pack in term of class balancing. But I bet they only do it after looking at actual raw data on how a class perform and not by the noise generating on the forum. For that I'm thankful.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

fishing for balance, as I've stated, only people are bad at AST did that. It's become a meme about the AST, kinda like "healer adjust" is a meme. Very few people actually played AST like that and even fewer groups expected AST to be played that way.

All the people Ive run into that talk about Balance are the big Hardcore Meta players that do the New EX & Savage Raid content.
I dont know if I can agree or say these are people that are "BAD" with Ast or are playing it incorrectly, Just that they only saw one use of it. Or one playstyle.
But again this is just with the Newer Raids and Ex/Savage content.

[RoseBnargin]

Why dont they give us a buttslider so people can fix their butt problems themself. perioddtdtdt

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why dont they give us a buttslider so people can fix their butt problems themself. perioddtdtdt

Because that means overhauling the character creation system, and something something PS3 limitations small indie company I dunno pick your meme.

[Vahlnir]

Because that means overhauling the character creation system, and something something PS3 limitations small indie company I dunno pick your meme.

Server Limitations™

Can't forget that one.

[Gemina]

Proper WHM look at Misery as a refund system.

Oh yeah. And that's how I defended the change to the lily system prior to ShBs release. Then I got WHM to 80, and threw it in some 8-man and 24-man to put the theory to the test.

Fact of the matter is (and since people want to use all content and not just savage/ultimate, which I am totally fine with) WHM or healing in general has a ogcd and regen threshold before you start using GCDs to heal. This includes Solace. The only exception is Rapture and the reason for this is because WHM has no ogcd AoE heal to turn to when they need the mobility. However, AoE heals are used far too liberally, especially in PUG content where two healers are flooding the raid with heals. What this all translates to is that in order to make use of Misery, you either have to over heal, choose to use Solace over Tetra, or hope the situation requires Rapture.

Again. Sub optimal. Or are you telling me the Lily system is perfect now?

- Normal 4 GCD windows: if we have a to cast 3 Cure or 3 Medica and a glare, then it's 3 completely lost GCD (900 potency) in term of DPS.
- Lily 4 GCD windows: if we use 3 Afflatus skills and misery, then we only lose 1 GCD (300 potency) in term of DPS.

and on and on...

You might want to save these statements for someone who is trying to use lost GCDs in their arguments.

For the record it did take SE a whole expack to make the lily system working well. As a WHM main I consider the class is so perfect now it's almost scary, I'm fearing this mean WHM gonna get screw up badly in the next expansion patch.

Disregard my last question. You do think it's perfect. Wow. Then I probably shouldn't point out that WHM is nearly identical to its SB version as far as playability. It gained Misery, but lost Aero 3. I still don't find myself needing the lilies whatsoever. I'll give it Rapture and that's about it.

[AnimaAnimus]

Male butts are still flat with the 2B bottoms ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They need to address the issue equally.

So are their fronts, which is a topic in and of itself that no one seems to want to mention lol

I mean, we don't need to have Conan Exiles, but at least give us something...

[AnimaAnimus]

Why dont they give us a buttslider so people can fix their butt problems themself. perioddtdtdt

Yoshida actually referenced the sliders issue years ago in an interview. I cant remember when/where (tried to find the interview but it was like 5 years ago, ARR was still newish at that time and there was a lot of talk about the limited character creation) but he said they choose to forgo using sliders in character creation beyond height and bust size and went strictly with 1-2-3 options because it would allow players to make ugly characters and pretty characters are what FF is known for, so if they allowed players to set their own parameters and make ugly characters, it would go against the FF brand. So choosing 1 2 3 4 and limited slider ranges when we actually have them, it is.

[Moonlite]

This is funny. This has been the MO that the fan base has praised since 2.0. Ignore certain issues, but talk in length about superficial design aspects.



Not sure how we can gauge if players are happy about healers. But they are mostly the job in need for bonus. That spot used to be exclusively tanks spot. That is superficial evidence though. I doubt SE is going to come out and say if healer numbers are down though. That would make their choices look bad. If healer numbers were good or better since expansion wouldn't they have gloated about it while dismissing complaints about some healer adjustment.

[Reyna_Balmore]

Why dont they give us a buttslider so people can fix their butt problems themself. perioddtdtdt

One more time for the people in the back