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  1. #111
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    Banriikku's Avatar
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    Kasumi Bunja
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    Hmm so you say : We dont get information because we would ask more questions.
    I respect your opinion but i see it differently.

    I used the AST thing just as a example. They dont communicate anything. Thats my point.
    I want to know where are our journey is heading atleast the rough direction. And a couple of special ppl are very angry/passionate/toxic but the most play this for recration and or ablout cool and dont scream at SE.
    I dont ask for details. Take the information we got the last 4 Months. The only thing we got clear is stuff we dont get or wont happen etc. So just infos on "you wont get anymore/ less / prohibit / not planned" and thats weird I can tell you what is not planned but i cant tell you what are the plans. All we have are asumptions.
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  2. #112
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    If a certain healer or job is underperforming, then that would be one thing. That's something they would address in a patch.

    If you want to know what if any major changes will come to a job or role in 6.0, it's too early for them to say anything on that. They likely don't even know themselves at this stage and will work on that stuff internally when we get closer to the next expansion. And anything they tell us about major overhauls 'now' is very likely to change before then.

    If say AST was brokenly behind sch or whm to the point of not being viable, that would be something they could talk about and adjust in a patch. The general shift in direction of the healer role (pruning damage abilities) or the revamped ast card system are not things they are likely to just toss into a patch, and if it's something they wouldn't change until a new expansion, it's still too early to talk about where that will go, we're not even halfway into the CURRENT expansion.

    As for the cards specifically I think it's pretty clear they're not just going to flip back to the old system mid expansion and so there's not really anything to say on that specific subject.
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  3. #113
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    If a certain healer or job is underperforming, then that would be one thing. That's something they would address in a patch.

    If you want to know what if any major changes will come to a job or role in 6.0, it's too early for them to say anything on that. They likely don't even know themselves at this stage and will work on that stuff internally when we get closer to the next expansion. And anything they tell us about major overhauls 'now' is very likely to change before then.

    If say AST was brokenly behind sch or whm to the point of not being viable, that would be something they could talk about and adjust in a patch. The general shift in direction of the healer role (pruning damage abilities) or the revamped ast card system are not things they are likely to just toss into a patch, and if it's something they wouldn't change until a new expansion, it's still too early to talk about where that will go, we're not even halfway into the CURRENT expansion.

    As for the cards specifically I think it's pretty clear they're not just going to flip back to the old system mid expansion and so there's not really anything to say on that specific subject.
    There's a certain amount they'd be able to do without reworks to hold us over. SMN and NIN got fixes they needed to make them flow better. MNK and BRD got something to hold them over, whilst there's still problems, they reverted a decision BRD's did not like and what they gave MNK's was a sticking plaster. Healers, there's decisions they can reverse on WHM and SCH DPS abilities, as an example and boost the impact of AST's cards to compensate for the DPS boost WHM and SCH will get. Reverting AST's cards will be harder because TP is no longer a thing, but if they had a bigger impact - which reversing SCH's and WHM's DPS move losses would probably accommodate - then they might feel a little better to use. There will still be problems and complaints, but if SE agree this is an issue, these would be things to hold people over until 6.0 without over-complicating anything.

    Regardless of whether 6.0 is so far off and whether we'd see those changes then. There is something that they can do that requires little effort:
    • "We are aware of the concerns a certain number of healers are having regarding their role in Shadowbringers. We will review the feedback we have received on this topic, please bear with us"
    • "We are aware of the concerns a certain number of healers are having regarding their role in Shadowbringers. The changes and direction we feel were justified because of [x, y and z] and we feel they are working as intended and will not be making any changes in this respect."
    • "We are aware of the concerns a certain number of healers are having regarding their role in Shadowbringers. We are listening to your concerns and we understand them so we will be looking to make changes based on the feedback we've received. However, these changes won't be immediate and bear with us."

    What's frustrating is the lack of communication on the healer complaints. And a number of them still predate ShB (mainly WHM). This is when other roles have gotten better communication out of SE for their complaints (even if the communication isn't positive, at least it's communication). We got a "no" on the cards and beyond that, there's been a considerable lack.

    At each of the community Q&A sessions ever since the media tour showcasing ShB job changes there's bit plenty of healer questions relating to the more common concerns and they've been decently upvoted. The healer forums are unusually laden with complaint threads, with people including myself who haven't historically touched the forum prior. And whilst not all Q&A's have the questions been suitable for that QA (I posted in the world building one aware they'll probably not address it there - mine funnily enough was more about communication than my issues), but then the presence of them should at least suggest it's worth providing communication on it.
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    Last edited by Saefinn; 12-31-2019 at 07:29 AM.

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR View Post
    ...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD
    One is easier to fix than the other...
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  5. #115
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    Skadi Vanyalanthiriel
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    I think, they should also fix Viera tights as well...
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