In Defence of DPS meters.

[ReiMakoto]

As much as I think a personal DPS meter would be good, the Devs had said people might still use a personal dps meter to harass people by demanding screenshots. Its kinda dumb because surely thats what report feature is for, but in general they seem to be against things that could cause lazy players to get called out.

[Elladie]

As much as I think a personal DPS meter would be good, the Devs had said people might still use a personal dps meter to harass people by demanding screenshots. Its kinda dumb because surely thats what report feature is for, but in general they seem to be against things that could cause lazy players to get called out.

And this reply is why they are against it. Your assumption is that someone who is struggling is lazy, but there could be a myriad reasons why they are having issues that have nothing to do with laziness. They are a new player, they are new to the role, they are new to the fight, they take a long time to learn fight mechanics for whatever reason, they are disabled, their mouse/controller glitched, they got cramp etc and so on. I am not denying the existence of lazy players but the fact that it is your first assumption is very much the reason that parsers aren't allowed

I am not denying the usefulness of parsers to improve one's own gameplay either, I am pointing out that we are the reason why parsers are banned. Maybe if we stop behaving like knobs and treat other people respectfully (including not assuming I'm a guy, which is really starting to annoy me lol) then we might get our private parsers one day.

[ReiMakoto]

And this reply is why they are against it. Your assumption is that someone who is struggling is lazy, but there could be a myriad reasons why they are having issues that have nothing to do with laziness. They are a new player, they are new to the role, they are new to the fight, they take a long time to learn fight mechanics for whatever reason, they are disabled, their mouse/controller glitched, they got cramp etc and so on. I am not denying the existence of lazy players but the fact that it is your first assumption is very much the reason that parsers aren't allowed

I am not denying the usefulness of parsers to improve one's own gameplay either, I am pointing out that we are the reason why parsers are banned. Maybe if we stop behaving like knobs and treat other people respectfully (including not assuming I'm a guy, which is really starting to annoy me lol) then we might get our private parsers one day.

Im gonna be real, the lazy comment was more aimed at the other systems that have changed/ not been implemented, such as the Devs saying BLU would be hard because players would turn up only with water cannon, or the change of the cross role system because players were turning up to challenging content without essentials like quelling strikes and such. But to break down further, the lazy comment was more aimed at lazy not to report people as thats what its for. Also to be honest though yeah, lazy is the right word, if I'm level 80 running level 80 content and someone doesn't know how to string abilities together even on a class where combo's literally light up, I'm saying its lazyness, no amount of new to the fight covers it (especially if they turn up in a farm)

[Jimmymagic]

OK your not talking about laziness your responding about incompetency. Big difference.
Parsers will not work because people will use it to troll regardless of competency or laziness. They understand the potential of vile disdain players will take out on other for (pick your reason or none at all). Although the idea on paper I like implementing would bring to much headache.

Being level 80 has nothing to do with knowing your class hence skip potions and roulette and your at 80 in couplet of days.

Last night I did Prae on an alt to clear ARR and the other tank was level 70 and never mt or did the dungeon before Story skip level boost. Did ok but didn't use cd much so I mt instead. Point being Level does not mean you know rotations.

[ForteNightshade]

OBeing level 80 has nothing to do with knowing your class hence skip potions and roulette and your at 80 in couplet of days.

This is a poor excuse. I have SMN at 75, and despite having never played it until recently, I still took the time to look up the opener and getting a working understanding of how it all flows. I certainly won't be a top tier SMN but when I get it to 80, I'll at least be competent. If you're taking a job into Savage and have absolutely no idea what you're doing. That's poor laziness. You simply didn't care enough to practice beforehand.

[Jimmymagic]

This is a poor excuse. I have SMN at 75, and despite having never played it until recently, I still took the time to look up the opener and getting a working understanding of how it all flows. I certainly won't be a top tier SMN but when I get it to 80, I'll at least be competent. If you're taking a job into Savage and have absolutely no idea what you're doing. That's poor laziness. You simply didn't care enough to practice beforehand.

Thank you for proving my point lev 75 smn and you wont be top tiered because your lazy. Again being high level does not matter with knowing the job. Practicing has to do with knowing rotations how and when to implement depends on competency. Also im not referring to Savage, if I was the only way to get competent party is static. PUGing it is a waste of time. But hey go ahead and lookup videos all you want. Your learn form doing not from watching imo.

[ForteNightshade]

Thank you for proving my point lev 75 smn and you wont be top tiered because your lazy. Again being high level does not matter with knowing the job. Practicing has to do with knowing rotations how and when to implement depends on competency. Also im not referring to Savage, if I was the only way to get competent party is static. PUGing it is a waste of time. But hey go ahead and lookup videos all you want. Your learn form doing not from watching imo.

... what? I proved the precise opposite. No one expects top tier performance. What they want is competence—which is easily achievable if you dedicated even a little bit of time on a dummy. And no, you can learn a great deal from simply watching videos and then going to an aforementioned dummy to practice. Not doing even that is pure laziness.

I've also pugged this whole tier just fine. Statics are obviously better but you'll still clear. Regardless, Savage should never be where you're learning the basics of your job.

[FirstnameLastname]

And this reply is why they are against it. Your assumption is that someone who is struggling is lazy, but there could be a myriad reasons why they are having issues that have nothing to do with laziness. They are a new player, they are new to the role, they are new to the fight, they take a long time to learn fight mechanics for whatever reason, they are disabled, their mouse/controller glitched, they got cramp etc and so on. I am not denying the existence of lazy players but the fact that it is your first assumption is very much the reason that parsers aren't allowed

I am not denying the usefulness of parsers to improve one's own gameplay either, I am pointing out that we are the reason why parsers are banned. Maybe if we stop behaving like knobs and treat other people respectfully (including not assuming I'm a guy, which is really starting to annoy me lol) then we might get our private parsers one day.

See, this is the other reason why they are against it. The moment one dares to call out people who are not pulling their weights someone will instantly jump to their defense and pull all sorts of cards to excuse the called out player while also acting as a victim himself (Yes, that is in fact aimed in your general direction, deal with it). And since those make up a huge amount of the population, SE is ever so eager to defend the fragile players.

[testname]

a) make it just for savage content

b) if no - then at least block savage behind dummy target test, where player need to do perfect rotation with food, melds, potions, ( at lest newcomers will know what button to press and adapt it in actual fight )

[Shurrikhan]

And this reply is why they are against it. Your assumption is that someone who is struggling is lazy.

Would you prefer "self-sabotaging"? "Lacking consideration of others' time"? Being new to X content is one thing, being rusty another, and getting PKed something further still, but if you consistently can't even combo appropriately or use CDs by level 80, it's almost always going to be some shade of one of those three. Again, the key here is basic competency by the latest in basic content (e.g. level 80 dungeons), the beginnings specialized competency in the beginnings of specialized content (e.g. level 80 Savage), and a fair bit of specialized competency by the time you join a E4S farm group, for instance.

"Be (relatively) prepared," for short.

The bar isn't high here. If I can perform just fine through mouse-based movement and button-clicking alone while text-chatting with my FC and talking with my roommate and my party being none the wiser to it, it takes some manner of laziness or intentional underperformance to be unable to perform even half that well.

That could be an unwillingness to deal with whatever inhibitions you have that dissuade you from testing yourself through learning (self-sabotaging). That could be an unwillingness to spend effort on principle "because it's just a game" (lacking consideration / laziness). That can be a desire to prioritize other things, and believing that engaging fully with performance means you must be losing out elsewhere (lacking consideration / self-sabotaging). It can be a twisted logic that tells you that if you go fast, you'd be "disrespecting" the content (self-sabotaging). Whatever. But all of that stems from being unwilling to fully engage with what's happening or improve one's performance. Sure, we could break down the minutia, but the labels are generally accurate, even if not superfluously precise.

a) make it just for savage content

b) if no - then at least block savage behind dummy target test, where player need to do perfect rotation with food, melds, potions, ( at lest newcomers will know what button to press and adapt it in actual fight )

a) Then you deny the majority of players a useful self-improvement tool. Believe it or not, we casual players like knowing things, too.

b) That's fair. And one can always do both.