PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[Yorumi]

I don't expect PLD or RDM to heal but if you see a chance to do so, could you try to help?

Well that's the thing actually finding the opportunity to heal. Most healers can keep the situation under control pretty well. That's why I keep saying you need to be a mind reader. A pld using their cooldowns properly is going to go much farther than any use of clemency. I think part of the reason people are against its use is because the good players already know how to use it and the bad one need to improve(whether they be tank or healer).

[Mavrias]

The number of people replying to posts that were made quite some time ago, on the previous page without reading the latest page.

Oi.

I was focusing on reading on a couple abilities and I wrongly assumed that they would have written the abilities a bit better, or something, which I explained above an easier/better way to communicate what abilities do on the Job Guide.

But eh, whatever.

You say I "didn't even finish reading the job guide", I could say that you "didn't even finish reading the rest of the thread".

Bruh, you claim you hard leveled paladin to 73. You should already know that your requiescat isn't making your casts instant at your level. Unless you don't use it, which is an even more disturbing concept. This sure is a deep hole you're digging.

Also: "some time ago" you mean 30 minutes?

[Maeka]

Well that's the thing actually finding the opportunity to heal. Most healers can keep the situation under control pretty well. That's why I keep saying you need to be a mind reader. A pld using their cooldowns properly is going to go much farther than any use of clemency. I think part of the reason people are against its use is because the good players already know how to use it and the bad one need to improve(whether they be tank or healer).

So by that logic... it's OK for a tank to assume that a healer is going to have no trouble whatsoever in 3 group pulls, but a healer should never, ever, ever, ever assume that a job that has a heal, like PLD, is willing to use it?

That seems... a little one-sided.

IMO, if I'm a PLD, I think I would rather err on the side of caution, and if I see myself getting in danger, I think it would be better to assume the healer is struggling, rather than expecting the healer to assume I will never cast Clemency.

PLDs expecting healers to always be able to handle 3 group pulls and healers expecting PLD to cast Clemency on a regular basis are both on each end of the spectrum and it seems silly to expect one or the other.

Usually, that's where a middle-ground is a bit better.

[Maeka]

Bruh, you claim you hard leveled paladin to 73. You should already know that your requiescat isn't making your casts instant at your level. Unless you don't use it, which is an even more disturbing concept. This sure is a deep hole you're digging.

It's called Leveling Roulette. You know, that thing you can do that sometimes sticks you into Sastasha?

Heck I did a Trials Roulette earlier and it gave me Ravana. I also did a Leveling Roulette today that gave me Baby Garuda.

I'm sure I got lots of practice using Shake it Off on my WAR in those two dungeons, right?

I did do a few FATEs as PLD, but they were half-hearted Eclipse/Prominence spam with the occasional RQ but not having Holy Circle yet, I kinda just kept spamming Eclipse and Prom. Not the most efficient of play, but yet I wasn't actually heading into a dungeon, so.. *shrug* I was just trying to finish out a levelup.

Also: "some time ago" you mean 30 minutes?

Unless you're in kindergarten, it shouldn't take 30 minutes to read 5 posts that were <1000 characters each, nor should it take you 30 minutes to type one or two sentences.

[Lavieh]

So by that logic... it's OK for a tank to assume that a healer is going to have no trouble whatsoever in 3 group pulls, but a healer should never, ever, ever, ever assume that a job that has a heal, like PLD, is willing to use it?

Maybe replace the word assume with "hope". Like I hope that the healer can keep up, or the healer can hope that the PLD has their CDs mapped. You can also hope that the PLD will use their mana to Clemency when you are falling behind.

Perhaps we just shouldn't walk into duty finder Holmister Switch expecting anything from anybody.

I personally just pull the big pull and if the healer can't keep then its w/e to me. I'm not going to make a post about how SCHs have Excog and that they should use it.

Fact is though the pull can be done without a PLD using clemency, so if they did some proper CDs and you are having trouble, you should look more into improving then telling them what to do.

[Mavrias]

It's called Leveling Roulette. You know, that thing you can do that sometimes sticks you into Sastasha?

Heck I did a Trials Roulette earlier and it gave me Ravana. I also did a Leveling Roulette today that gave me Baby Garuda.

I'm sure I got lots of practice using Shake it Off on my WAR in those two dungeons, right?

I did do a few FATEs as PLD, but they were half-hearted Eclipse/Prominence spam with the occasional RQ but not having Holy Circle yet, I kinda just kept spamming Eclipse and Prom. Not the most efficient of play, but yet I wasn't actually heading into a dungeon, so.. *shrug* I was just trying to finish out a levelup.



Unless you're in kindergarten, it shouldn't take 30 minutes to read 5 posts that were <1000 characters each, nor should it take you 30 minutes to type one or two sentences.

So you leveled paladin to 70 and did nothing with it? Not even hovering your mouse over the shiny new ability you got to see what it does? Interesting. Hasn't even used the skill, and doesn't read the job guide, but can spout off about what you see other PLDs are doing with the ability you don't even know? Super interesting.

I open the thread at work and read and start a reply. I then have to move away from my phone for a while to do stuff. I come back when i'm finished with that task and finish a reply. Wild concept, I know.

[Maeka]

Fact is though the pull can be done without a PLD using clemency, so if they did some proper CDs and you are having trouble, you should look more into improving then telling them what to do.

I do in fact look for ways I could have put out more healing, when I'm not all flustered and such when they decide to just go running to the first wall right off the bat.

I moved the two faerie buttons around to be a bit easier to push, for example. They never really seemed like they did that much but people say they do so I'll try it next time I'm in a higher level dungeon as SCH. For example.

And yes, we hope that people would do reasonable things, but eh.

I guess I just don't like this whole "gotta pull wall to wall all the time" mentality the playerbase seems to have taken these days, and would wish that some people would just slow down sometimes. Heck sometimes it's hard to speak up because the moment Duty Commenced appears, there's the sprint icon next to the tank's name and if I had stopped to type something the tank would *really* be dead, lol.

So you leveled paladin to 70 and did nothing with it? Not even hovering your mouse over the shiny new ability you got to see what it does? Interesting. Hasn't even used the skill, and doesn't read the job guide, but can spout off about what you see other PLDs are doing with the ability you don't even know? Super interesting.

I open the thread at work and read and start a reply. I then have to move away from my phone for a while to do stuff. I come back when i'm finished with that task and finish a reply. Wild concept, I know.

Personally, if I was in the middle of typing a response and had to AFK.... upon returning, I'd cut what I had written so that it gets saved to the clipboard, refresh the thread, and read whatever was said and then paste into the reply box and reply to anything else that was said.

Personally. *shrug*

I got PLD to Lv70 waaaay back in Stormblood. Back then, I was in a frenzy to get all of my jobs levelled up, because I was tired of inventory spam. So I got PLD to 70, mained WHM, and worked on leveling other jobs when I wasn't keeping WHM gear current. So yes, I got PLD to 70 and barely touched it for the longest time.

But I do pay attention to what I see tanks doing when I've the time to, and I've seen plenty of hard-casted Holy Circles and I misread what the tooltip says on the Job Guide. And again, they could have set that up better, to be easier to understand, but whatever.

[Lavieh]

I guess I just don't like this whole "gotta pull wall to wall all the time" mentality the playerbase seems to have taken these days

I honestly can't relate, pulling to the wall is the only thing that gets me through dungeons on basically any job that I've taken through them. Especially now that CD's reset, if we wipe we can just pull to the wall again and try something different. I definitely understand people want to take things slow but I would rather it if people get used to the big pulls to the point where even those feel slow. Level 71-80 SCH dungeon grind was the first time in a long while that I hard grinded a healer and every wall-to-wall dungeon pull that I failed was just another chance for me to figure out how to succeed. And Switch was rough, took me a few wipes to figure out how to handle the first two pull sets.

[WhyAmIHere]

So by that logic... it's OK for a tank to assume that a healer is going to have no trouble whatsoever in 3 group pulls, but a healer should never, ever, ever, ever assume that a job that has a heal, like PLD, is willing to use it?

That seems... a little one-sided.
UNLESS YOU TELL THE TANK TO SLOW DOWN YES. Its been said before; communicate if you need help. You having issues with larger pulls in switch is not the issue. Others can do it. You just need to practice more and develop more comfort in healing, or accept that the status quo and you just don't mix.
And like I told other dude. Yes. Do not expect others to use their kits fully. Do not expect others to use their tools properly. Worry about using your own first. That's the only way to improve.

IMO, if I'm a PLD, I think I would rather err on the side of caution, and if I see myself getting in danger, I think it would be better to assume the healer is struggling, rather than expecting the healer to assume I will never cast Clemency.
THIS IS GOOD. This is how it should be. The healer should be able to keep up. If they cannot and you're on PLD, and you're NOTICING AND AWARE the healer is struggling, then yes. Make the run smoother. It's fine in dungeons if things are hitting the fan.

PLDs expecting healers to always be able to handle 3 group pulls and healers expecting PLD to cast Clemency on a regular basis are both on each end of the spectrum and it seems silly to expect one or the other.

Usually, that's where a middle-ground is a bit better.
Stop bringing up spectrums please. There's more to the whole thing that just those two points and just reducing it to that is grossly misleading and inaccurate.

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[Maeka]

Responses in bold.

Mind telling me how I'm supposed to actually type if the tank mashes sprint the very moment the circle goes down before I even have time to summon Eos? That's getting to be a regular thing. "Summon Eos....crapcrapcrap tank is already sprinting, gonna be one of THOSE kind of dungeons, gaaaaaaaaaaah"

I remember back in Stormblood, you had a few tanks now and then taking off before Protect was cast... now we got tanks who love taking off like they have jetpacks before you even summon Eos.