PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[Maeka]

Responses in bold, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.

Is there some reason why you can't multiquote?

Replying to you is very annoying when I have to manually copy and paste each of your responses and manually quote, because when I go to reply, it omits the entire block of what you typed, because you included it inside of my quote. So please don't do that, kthx.

We've all had bad experiences with duty finder. That's the beauty of duty finder. You have no idea the kinds of people you'll encounter there, from savage raiders trying to cap tomes to a level 54 WHM in stone vigil with not a single piece of gear above level 30 requirement. You shouldn't let past bad experiences forever taint your future endeavors.

Obviously. Did I say otherwise? No.

But apparently we're not supposed to engage in conversation with the various people of the forums to get at least a few people to consider a different way to play and/or to ask people to consider doing things differently and/or to vent some steam and/or to explain why it's crappy behavior.

Only thing im'a say on this is it's a lack of trust. If a PLD is using clemency too often or willy nilly, it shows they do not trust their healers. This is bad gameplay and just a bad mentality overall. A clemency here or there if the healer's struggling is fine IMO. Unfortunately, this whole thing is one massive grey area, nothing is cut and dry

Did I say willy-nilly? No, I said if you're hovering down at 25-30% health for several seconds, consider casting a Clemency and then pay attention to the healer to see if they are struggling.

DRKs use AD because it's free damage with a bonus of a pitiful heal on top. In trash pulls it's a nice topper upper, but yes the heal it gives is ignorable most of the time. It's just free damage. I'd be more taken aback to hear a DRK ISNT using AD on cooldown.

I've seen plenty of times where a DRK waits until he has the biggest pull possible, and pops AD and ZIP he goes from 50% health to almost full in a split second. That's "Ignorable"? Hardly. That's nearly as much as a Cure II crit.

No. Unless you're memeing together with the PLD the PLD gains more from doing damage than letting the healer get another AoW/Gravity, and Holy is arguable IMO but only because Holy stuns build up stun resist on the mobs. And no, a 250 baseline potency holy circle WILL do more than a baseline 140 potency Holy/Gravity // 160 potency AoW, ignoring that Holy Circle would/should have the boost from Requiescat so it'd be even MORE potent.

I'ma have to insist you don't think that this thing here, that a healer AoE GCD at the expense of a holy circle is ever worth. Ever. Strictly speaking, Holy Circle > whatever AoE damage the healer offers; 100% ignoring "bUt ClEmEnCy CuZ hEaLeR cAnT kEeP uP" shenanigans.

140+140 > 250. 160+160+160 >> 250.

That's... what's been said by others as well? It's incredibly niche to use and optimizing its usage at all is so beyond galactic brain that I know I'm not capable of attempting to do the maths on it. But what I want to hammer home is You should not expect a PLD to use clemency as the default status quo, and if you get matched with a PLD and they use Clemency assess the smartness of its use.

I expect a tank to do whatever the tank needs to do to keep himself alive, regardless as to why he's in danger instead of sacrificing his own life for a Holy Circle cast. Especially before Holy Circle, lol. That's even more laughable.

Just say you should speak up more. The whole "well yeah but what about other people" thing you did here really comes off as immature.

I'm identifying that the whole problem of healers whining about people casting Clemency is part of the problem and I want it addressed too. It is a problem, and people need to stop doing it.

This has nothing to do with me being immature, or me trying to shift blame, I am trying to get discussion going about the entire problem, all parts involved, not just some of it.

The problem is, sure you can accept you made mistakes, no one will deny that. But when you say "well yeah I messed up but so did this other person // Yeah I could've done things better but so could this other person // etc etc" it comes off that you aren't REALLY accepting that you made mistakes and owning up to that. It shows you trying to shirk the responsibility of admittance from yourself and apply that to everyone else/as well. Just look at how you even started this thread to begin with! Even the title itself comes off as "well I might have messed up but YOU MESSED UP WORSE, SPEEDRUNNER PALADIN!!!"

The, I don't know, topic of the thread happens to be "Speedrunning Paladins who would rather risk their life for every bit of DPS rather than saving themselves with a cast of Clemency" .... not "How exactly did Maeka f--- up today?"

To be quite honest, whether or not I was playing optimally (I obviously wasn't, and I admitted that from the start) is, you know, off-topic to the subject of the entire thread.

It was never about why the Paladin was almost dead for several seconds, it was about the fact that after all the signs were there that I was having trouble dealing with 3-group pulls, he decided to cast Holy Circle and then drop dead seconds later when he could have saved the wipe by casting Clemency instead.

But I knew that people would pick me apart, and then shift all the blame onto me, ignoring what the actual subject of the thread is supposed to be about.

And again, it isn't me shifting blame, it's about me choosing to talk about a specific subject, that is, tanks who refuse to use Clemency even to save their own life. I realize I made mistakes, I missed buttons, I used things I shouldn't have used, yeah fine, I get that. But that's not the topic of the thread.

You want to talk about how much I suck as a healer? Fine, do that in a thread where that is actually the topic being discussed. I have, from time-to-time, posted "Healer Checkup" threads where I ask for input on my gameplay, and I listen to what people say, though I've not done one recently because the last one I did people were rather rude and inconsiderate. Constructive feedback is okay, being downright rude is not.