Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[swiss_Momo]

someone getting in trouble ingame for actions on 3rd party sites isn't anything new. There was a number of players that got GM jailed because their search info linked to their twitter account with nude mod or otherwise edited NSFW pictures. And that was before the ToS change.

also regarding those "selling runs with discord #" entries on PF...



(very possible that experiences may vary depending on GM, as they don't seem to have an unified stance on many topics)

[Legewiel]

I think that this is less about the person who obviously harassed and more about what this means for everyone and SE's modus operandi in general.

It means that you're not safe to be an awful person in a stream where you're carrying the name Square Enix with it and all your actions will be linked to SE. PPL are talking nonsense about discord and stuff, but this is completely different he shamed the guy on a public stream in front of hundreds of ppl and the proof is on his own stream not a weird picture that can be altered

[MarniDawg]

Yeah I am not a fan of the precedence this sets. Unless something happened IN GAME and the person streaming literally did it themselves or told someone to harass a person IN GAME I personally feel no one should get banned for something they say on stream.

If they really want to go after 3rd party stuff go after RMT and stop worrying that little Johnny got his feelings hurts because he sucks at the game and someone called him out for it.

[Legewiel]

Yeah I am not a fan of the precedence this sets. Unless something happened IN GAME and the person streaming literally did it themselves or told someone to harass a person IN GAME I personally feel no one should get banned for something they say on stream.

If they really want to go after 3rd party stuff go after RMT and stop worrying that little Johnny got his feelings hurts because he sucks at the game and someone called him out for it.

He is an influencer using Square Enix's name, so yeah he should be punished

[KageTokage]

I wish they worked this hard at enforcing ALL aspects of the ToS mostly.

It's not like the people who routinely use DoL/H bots couldn't be exposed by simply referencing their activity logs or even just observing them briefly firsthand.

They really should just give the GMs authority to look into such matters since it really feels like the STF isn't even trying sometimes.

He is an influencer using Square Enix's name, so yeah he should be punished

Not defending the oft-elitist behavior of the prominent streamers or anything, but I don't think it can be argued that their influence is overall more of a net positive for the game because of the exposure their competitive raiding provides and that if they decided to shut down others like this (A lot of them have ragged on people hard enough at times that they could potentially have been banned in similar fashion if someone reported them) it would probably do more harm for the community then good.

[tdb]

You could take someone else video of a dungeon run, put on it overlay parse-like fake everything, then stream this video and record yourself in stream shouting out curses left and right. You couls get someone banned like that.

You'd also have to hack your mark's FFXIV account and edit their character profile to include a link to the stream. Arthars did that himself, as can be seen in https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...racter/678066/. His twitch account contains a link back to this character page as well. I very much doubt any random video with no provable connection to a specific FFXIV account would be grounds for a ban.

[Legewiel]

Not defending the oft-elitist behavior of the prominent streamers or anything, but I don't think it can be argued that their influence is overall more of a net positive for the game because of the exposure the competitive raiding gives things and that if they decided to shut down all of them like this would probably do more harm for the community then good.

I agree that he helps a lot with his streams and they're really fun, but this shouldn't give him a pass to do everything he wants, it's also not uncommon for companies to do this kind of stuff, XQC is like one of the biggest streamer in twitch right now and he were banned in overwatch more than once cause of his really toxic behavior on stream.

[MarniDawg]

He is an influencer using Square Enix's name, so yeah he should be punished

If a streamer blurs out names and talks the same way about a player do they still deserve a suspension?

If the answer is no, then why? Is it because nothing happened in game?

You could make the argument that you could see the in game name so people would then go and harass them in game, but that would be on the individual doing the in game harassment not the streamer.

We should not punish people for their opinion of others. If people dont get along in game that's what the blacklist feature is for. It doesn't even enter into harassment until you try to get around said feature. Otherwise it's just an opinion.

[Noitems]

I mean both parties were wrong.

I think a big reason SE went after Arthurs is really the name dropping. You gotta remember this is recently after the TEA death threats were Yoshi-P had to actually vouch for a team that they did something legitimate. When a streamer drops a name down and hundreds of people are watching that can lead to a bunch of flaming and I'm sure SE wanted to avoid that at all being an issue. The active parsing(and in turn DPS shaming) probably didn't help since they try to keep the idea of parsing on a "We know, don't mess it up" kind of deal.

HOWEVER a ban I don't feel is needed, and instead at highest just be given a warning. A 10 day ban especially for an active streamer playing the game is too much, especially when they're big like Arthurs. That's gonna cause a domino effect of other players throwing in their two cents and threads like this popping up. If you just tell someone they did something wrong in a GM grotto it should be enough of an idea of "Well I don't want to come back here".

I'd like to note this is one of the few cases of a GM report where evidence was actually supplied and wasn't a vague statement. If I can commend anything it's the fact a GM told what exactly it was that got them banned. Instead of the stuff we normally see where you probably have an idea of what was said, but others who want to take part in conversation need to ask.

[Legewiel]

We should not punish people for their opinion of others. If people dont get along in game that's what the blacklist feature is for. It doesn't even enter into harassment until you try to get around said feature. Otherwise it's just an opinion.

You can't disguise harassment as "opinion"