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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    While it's true they don't control their viewers, broadcasters do have a certain amount of liability about what they broadcast - and this extends into legal territory, not just SE's/Twitch's ToS. (And, you know - I know this was just hurling insults and very unlikely to escalate - but if it did escalate thanks to some dumb viewer, SE and Twitch could also potentially share some liability if it were shown they had reports they didn't act on.)
    It's a bit different when it's not a real life identity (which you can be banned for having on your stream of someone who didn't give permission), but even if a streamer went through all the steps they could to minimize the information, people can still find the information extremely easily -- namely, just going to FFlogs and looking up the parse from the encounter (that someone else in the party may have uploaded). While yes mitigating the possibility is good practice, it doesn't 100% solve the issue of people taking things into their own hands. And, in the latter case, the people who are taking actions into their own hands and actively going after a player, are the people who should be actioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    It's a bit different when it's not a real life identity (which you can be banned for having on your stream of someone who didn't give permission), but even if a streamer went through all the steps they could to minimize the information, people can still find the information extremely easily -- namely, just going to FFlogs and looking up the parse from the encounter (that someone else in the party may have uploaded). While yes mitigating the possibility is good practice, it doesn't 100% solve the issue of people taking things into their own hands. And, in the latter case, the people who are taking actions into their own hands and actively going after a player, are the people who should be actioned.
    You are right. It's shared responsibility, not 100% on either person.

    That said, when a streamer has setup a special scene in their broadcast software that enlarges the insult target's name and draws special attention with extra animation and sounds... well, let's just say this isn't what I would call one of the very grey area cases? It's hard to not see that as encouraging the behavior, at least a little bit.

    It would be a very different story if he only showed initials or blurred the name or similar. If someone is really determined to find out who that was, they could yes, but then the broadcaster would have done what they can to mitigate it over the medium they control. The broadcaster doesn't control FF logs, of course.

    Also if the broadcaster had just kicked, blacklisted, and moved on, it'd have been a nonissue.
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