Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Ahahaha at all the people fearmongering. You guys are a real riot.

I'm with SE on this one. If you don't want to get punished, don't act like a douche. It's really that simple. In what world is publicly harassing someone okay?

[MrKusakabe]

I am good with that decision. It's just a suspension, not a permanent ban. When someone's doing "bad things" with our company's property - might it be intellectual or actual - steps are also taken there.

The rest boils down to being FFXIV's equivalent of "Why didn't the cop pull THAT other speeder over?" or "Why was the speed camera taking me instead of the others?" - instead of asking, why you were speeding in the first place, you fall into Whataboutism. That's been never an adult's solution.

[Warghoul570]

I haven’t seen the video but if the player that was being talked about by the streamer name is clearing visible then I can see it being against TOS. At the same time however, SE has demonstrated for years that there’s a lack of uniformity in how it polices it’s TOS. There seems to be a pick and choose approach to how and when they enforce something

[Seddrinth]

I was really confused when I read about this as well. I understand Arthars was trashing the guy but it was not done in game. I always thought SE would not punish for things outside of the game. I was in Limsa and a guy was shouting that he was going to shoot up a school and kill a bunch of kids, so I screenshotted and reported to the GMs. They said they can't do anything about it because they can't take outside evidence since screenshots can be altered. So that's why I was confused that they would use outside game media to ban someone in this instance. Some type of clarification would be appreciated.

[Warghoul570]

The fact that the player’s name was out in the open could lead to people following the stream to harass that player in game. That I believe is SE’s logic in the ban

[Barraind]

Squeenix will never ban people for nebulous reasons that dont violate any in-game rules.

Anyone still want to hold to that one?

No?

[dotsforlife]

SE spent years saying they wouldn't accept issues/proof outside of the game as evidence for ToS enforcement. It's only until recently did they decide to cherry pick. They seem to have a knack for taking action when it's more out in the open to a larger audience though. (like streaming, or well known members, etc) Either way, SE is hypocritical here.

[Gemina]

Dude, after your entire post, is still comes down to having absolutely zero to worry about if you abide by the ToS. The Tos shouldn't have to define the grey areas for you if you practice common courtesy and respect towards others.

If you have to ask, "is this ok?" Then the best bet is to not even do it. And if you have to ask about the grey areas then you're already a shady player in my book. Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on.

[WaterShield]

Dude, after your entire post, is still comes down to having absolutely zero to worry about if you abide by the ToS. The Tos shouldn't have to define the grey areas for you if you practice common courtesy and respect towards others.

If you have to ask, "is this ok?" Then the best bet is to not even do it. And if you have to ask about the grey areas then you're already a shady player in my book. Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on.

What if I have to ask myself if it's ok to even talk to anyone at all? This is meant to be a social game, and the direction being taken is making myself (and clearly others) uncomfortable even existing. What if my appearance offends someone? What if my orientation triggers someone? Is that a bannable offense? It may cause them distress, so who knows. Only SE can know, and even they can't seem to define it consistently. What is and is not acceptable proof? The current answer is "whatever they feel like in the moment", and that's unacceptable.

"Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on." This sounds like you telling people what they can and cannot talk about. I find that a bit rude honestly.

[QT_Melon]

What if I have to ask myself if it's ok to even talk to anyone at all? This is meant to be a social game, and the direction being taken is making myself (and clearly others) uncomfortable even existing. What if my appearance offends someone? What if my orientation triggers someone? Is that a bannable offense? It may cause them distress, so who knows. Only SE can know, and even they can't seem to define it consistently. What is and is not acceptable proof? The current answer is "whatever they feel like in the moment", and that's unacceptable.

"Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on." This sounds like you telling people what they can and cannot talk about. I find that a bit rude honestly.

umm...

this is really reaching....