Much Needed Hotfix for Frontline PVP.

[Moonlite]

Not just S/E, i think most of people scapegoat premades at this point

I blame premades/ GC stacking because i don't think SE will truly work on balancing frontlines. If you trust SE to work on the modes not just in 5.18 but onward and review scoring and problems, premades stay. If you think think we are going to see the most balance in 5.18 and it will barely be a solution at all all, any organized queing has to go.

[BloodRubyXII]

Everyone on free lancer is a bad idea as we are only hear people crying when there is a new mount/gear for PvE Farmers

Ye well that's the only time pvp in this game is even remotely active these days.

Thankfully, Feast season soon, so we can leave the FL clowns to it.

[Divinemights]

lol, did something got deleted?
Either way, i am stop caring and will not pvp that intense until rush is over and 3 modes are back.
If the mode is good, it will survive; otherwise, it will just die out like Rival Wing.
There is no point and S/E is less unlike to put everyone on Freelancer from the history.
This discussion has no longer has any meaning to continue as two sides will never agree to each other just like Britexit

[BloodRubyXII]

There is no point and S/E is less unlike to put everyone on Freelancer from the history.

But they are, man do you pay attention to anything lol.

[Divinemights]

But they are, man do you pay attention to anything lol.

Clearly i dont give a damn any more. been playing fallout 76 this whole time.
That dumpster fire is much better than this pvp mode

[Palitutu]

The survival of this mode has little to do with how good or bad it is, ultimately. What makes the frontline modes more or less successful is the easy availability with a roulette, short queuing times, long-term mount farming and very decent rewards (tomes, pvp currency, exp). Of course, some people just enjoy pvp. But most need a bait to get into it. Rival Wings would probably be just as popular as frontline if we had a Rival Wings Roulette that rotates the maps, same way than the frontline rou rotated modes. I wager that's what will happen, either that or it'll be added to frontline rous once GC affiliations have been canned.

That said, I am at a loss for word that there are people even trying to defend what is currently happening in frontline. That a specific number of players are exploiting a loophole in the system to ensure victory is the very definition of what cheating is. If the developers had intended for pre-made 24-men alliances to be a factor in frontline, they would let people queue as such. Clearly, they never intended for that. Essentially, what we're seeing right now is the equivalent of a professional team rigging the system to play against a team of amateurs and then trying to justify that what they did is fair play. It's not.

Any competent and respectable player, in any sport, esport or pvp environment, would look down upon such practices and the people doing it. A victory against your equals is something to be celebrated. Setting the game field so all the experienced players can stomp over the less experienced players is nothing short of pathetic.

PVP players often mourn that pvp is unpopular in FF14. That not enough people play it, that queues take forever. If you're participating in the current frontline disaster, you only need look at yourself as to why FF14 players dislike pvp. You make the experience miserable for everyone.

[Mango24]

The survival of this mode has little to do with how good or bad it is, ultimately. What makes the frontline modes more or less successful is the easy availability with a roulette, short queuing times, long-term mount farming and very decent rewards (tomes, pvp currency, exp). Of course, some people just enjoy pvp. But most need a bait to get into it. Rival Wings would probably be just as popular as frontline if we had a Rival Wings Roulette that rotates the maps, same way than the frontline rou rotated modes. I wager that's what will happen, either that or it'll be added to frontline rous once GC affiliations have been canned.

That said, I am at a loss for word that there are people even trying to defend what is currently happening in frontline. That a specific number of players are exploiting a loophole in the system to ensure victory is the very definition of what cheating is. If the developers had intended for pre-made 24-men alliances to be a factor in frontline, they would let people queue as such. Clearly, they never intended for that. Essentially, what we're seeing right now is the equivalent of a professional team rigging the system to play against a team of amateurs and then trying to justify that what they did is fair play. It's not.

Any competent and respectable player, in any sport, esport or pvp environment, would look down upon such practices and the people doing it. A victory against your equals is something to be celebrated. Setting the game field so all the experienced players can stomp over the less experienced players is nothing short of pathetic.

PVP players often mourn that pvp is unpopular in FF14. That not enough people play it, that queues take forever. If you're participating in the current frontline disaster, you only need look at yourself as to why FF14 players dislike pvp. You make the experience miserable for everyone.

My thoughts exactly. Well spoken and I completely agree.

[Noitems]

The survival of this mode has little to do with how good or bad it is, ultimately. What makes the frontline modes more or less successful is the easy availability with a roulette, short queuing times, long-term mount farming and very decent rewards (tomes, pvp currency, exp). Of course, some people just enjoy pvp. But most need a bait to get into it. Rival Wings would probably be just as popular as frontline if we had a Rival Wings Roulette that rotates the maps, same way than the frontline rou rotated modes. I wager that's what will happen, either that or it'll be added to frontline rous once GC affiliations have been canned.

That said, I am at a loss for word that there are people even trying to defend what is currently happening in frontline. That a specific number of players are exploiting a loophole in the system to ensure victory is the very definition of what cheating is. If the developers had intended for pre-made 24-men alliances to be a factor in frontline, they would let people queue as such. Clearly, they never intended for that. Essentially, what we're seeing right now is the equivalent of a professional team rigging the system to play against a team of amateurs and then trying to justify that what they did is fair play. It's not.

Any competent and respectable player, in any sport, esport or pvp environment, would look down upon such practices and the people doing it. A victory against your equals is something to be celebrated. Setting the game field so all the experienced players can stomp over the less experienced players is nothing short of pathetic.

PVP players often mourn that pvp is unpopular in FF14. That not enough people play it, that queues take forever. If you're participating in the current frontline disaster, you only need look at yourself as to why FF14 players dislike pvp. You make the experience miserable for everyone.

Absolutely agree. I'm actually sick of these this mentality a color defines your win, and people stacking with one in particular just causes frustration on both ends. People not on that color are getting trampled over, while those on that color have a bunch of leechers letting the big boys do all the work.

PVP is about competition and fun. Rival Wings in that regard is probably the most balanced mode due to it taking a pool at random of people to make their teams. No GC, no job, no nothing, and it allows players of different skill levels to play. Experienced players can show less experienced how to play the mode, so the chain continues and we have more active games.

Forced Freelancer will be the norm and should be the norm. The decisions between 72 man only queues and the mentalities of FOMO are causing these lockups and it's just too much.

[BloodRubyXII]

Don't get me wrong, I was all for the 8man stomp back when you could pack a full party in as a premade, but after it changed:


Even if I could GC hop, I couldn't justify doing this lol. It's gribbly as heck deliberately circumventing the changes and queue syncing to farm wins, this is why people wont play lol.

[snipski]

it's so dumb at least Adders on EU arent winning every game anymore i think it attracted alot of Noobs to adders so they have been loosing quite alot lately.

Also its kinda sad that they cant make a quick hotfix for stuff like this why do we have to wait untill next patch for it.