Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

i know the meme that this thread will never die, but fr we need short viera males for one reason and one reason only:

I wouldn't ever want one of those animals in the house, they poop everywhere.

[Yencat]

Viera aren't actually rabbits so I don't see how that's relevant at all? Realistically (in the context of the other races in the game) the males would be taller.

[Yencat]

If male viera are ever added, the devs will probably make the male viera face similar to that of miqo'te, while their bodies will sort of be like elezen - just with better proportions. Female viera is the same way. It would be nice if the males were shorter in my opinion, but I think the males and females will most likely be around similar heights.


Female rabbits and hares tend to be larger than their male counterparts.
"Rabbits and hares are unusual among mammals because females tend to be larger than males."
http://www.biokids.umich.edu/critters/Leporidae/

Maybe there is the odd species of rabbit where the male might be the same size as the female or a little bigger, but that is not the norm. There is a clear trend in females being larger than the males. Females are bigger in size and they also weigh more.

As a side note, male rabbits tend to be more easy-going and relaxed than female rabbits.
"Male and female rabbits are distinctly different from each other, even after de-sexing. Males tend to be more easy going and relaxed while females are usually "the boss" of any household. In the wild, rabbits pair up into couples with the female digging their burrow and the male defending her and the burrow against intruders."
http://www.bunnyhugga.com/a-to-z/rab...rsonality.html

I thought this was kind of interesting because it's similar to how viera are portrayed. Female viera seem to be the "boss" of their homeland, while the males are sort of out there defending the females that are tending to their home.


Aside from the obvious rabbit ears, it's possible viera were inspired by rabbits in other ways. I already mentioned how female rabbits tend to their burrows, while the males are defending the female and the burrow against intruders. This is similar to how viera live in the game as well. Of course, this could only just be a coincidence, and the behavior rabbits display in the wild was not used as inspiration for the viera lifestyle.

I mean, that's also pretty much how humans used to live so I wouldn't read too much into it. I don't think they height difference would be massive, but like all the other races males will most likely have a higher min. and max. height than the females.

[Senn]

I don't think they height difference would be massive, but like all the other races males will most likely have a higher min. and max. height than the females.

All the male characters (except lalafell?) are taller than their female counterparts. So yeah, I would assume that's not going to change now if SE decides to add male viera (although if the males were shorter, it would be a welcomed change for me). It's likely male and female viera will be around the same height, with males having a higher min./max. height just as you said.

[Gwenorai]

:squint: Bloody hell, we're going for the height thing again. Can we just ignore the whole animal type thing as being a reason for their height differences? It's silly. There's no need for them to be smaller for the sake of being smaller, because in our world rabbits/hares males are smaller than their females. Yeah, in our world. We haven't exactly seen any hares/rabbits in FF14 beyond the minion that is same size for all. And the hares that do exist were in previous games like ff12, which had literally no height differences that could be visually seen. Check Ozmone Hare/Wyrd Hare. So, using our knowledge of hares from our world is asinine because they actually have their own 'special' hares - in Ivalice - which they are heavily tied into. Viera, actually have to catch one of these hares/rabbits in their rite of passage.

Just have them be the same height.

Edit; it should be noted that Viera live in the same wood where a lot of these dreamhares/rabbits are. They're magical creatures and there's a lot of them - different types. It's more than likely not a coincidence that the hare people live with magical hares.

But beyond that did anyone catch that one of the pixies mentions that they're scared of Vii children? Haha, wonder what's so scary about Vii children. Least we know there are enough males for them to have children.

[Senn]

There's no need for them to be smaller for the sake of being smaller, because in our world rabbits/hares males are smaller than their females. Yeah, in our world.

Oh, ok. So the problem is, since this is just a video game and not real life, the races don't have to be based on real life biology, right? That means it'd be ok for a single race in a video game to have taller women and shorter men because real life biology doesn't matter. Because it's a game.

So why are we still making arguments like this?:

Simple - it's how we evolved. Men by and large are physically larger and women smaller

I just want to say that I won't really mind if the males have a taller min./max. height. I think that's the most likely outcome. But I'm bothered by the double standard here; if someone mentions the size difference in rabbits in real life, it's a silly idea. If someone mentions the size difference in men and women in real life, then it's ok? Either both are silly ideas, or neither are.

[Gwenorai]

Oh, ok. So the problem is, since this is just a video game and not real life, the races don't have to be based on real life biology, right? That means it'd be ok for a single race in a video game to have taller women and shorter men because real life biology doesn't matter. Because it's a game.

So why are we still making arguments like this?:

No, the argument is, stop using 'our hares' as an example for the height difference when they have their own hares. In that world, they *still* have humans that follow the same biology and evolved the same way. It's not the same for the hares, they have magical dreamhares. It's just a silly argument. You can look up the hares, even the one that is linked into the Viera as their rite of passage.

Blame FF14 for forcing the height differences on CC that do not allow for a decent overlap. Don't try to have gender be smaller than the other one based off of real-life hares - when they are heavily linked into the other ones. That's what I'm saying.

[Senn]

In that world, they *still* have humans that follow the same biology and evolved the same way.

Hyur = Humans
The other races are not human.

[Gwenorai]

Hyur = Humans
The other races are not human.

Yeah, and Hyur our biology.
The others aren't - they're humanoid. The reason they were made the way they are is just on Square Enix; but it's more than likely the good old fashioned 'men' are 'taller' than women. Which is mostly true. So that's what they did. This doesn't eliminate the fact you're trying to argue that there should be dimorphism for the sake of dimorphism on an argument that 'our hares are small' - when in that world they have their own hares.

Just have a decent height range, this is what all races should have had. But forcing a gender to be smaller on the argument of 'our hares are uwu small' doesn't make for a good argument. End of line.

[Senn]

This doesn't eliminate the fact you're trying to argue

I actually wasn't trying to argue that tonight. I was just stating rabbit facts, and mentioned rabbit behavior was similar to the viera lifestyle. Might want to go back and read.

Also, no one is forcing anything. Although we can make a good guess, we don't really know what male viera look like. It's not as if there is a concrete male viera design, and we're "forcing" it to change into something else.

I think it's fine if people want male viera to be shorter than the females.