SMN changed to full trance + demi summons when

[Silverquick]

They are really wierd, and out of order too.

The normal Deathflare is usually used in AoE on trash mobs and such. The Bahamut Trance/Demi is better on Single target because of the Wyrmwave + Ruin combo... so for Boss Mobs. The Phoenix trance that comes last is almost entirely AoE... or rather the best parts of it are... so Trash mobs and adds.

That would be ok EXCEPT... the normal encounter scheme in almost all instances short of 8 mans is...

Trash mobs... more Trash Mobs... then Boss Mobs...

But the Trances are out of order...

Deathflare (AoE)... Bahamut Demi + Wyrmwave (mostly single target)... Phoenix Trance (AoE multi target).. and you can't change the order you do them in.

[wereotter]

They are really wierd, and out of order too.

The normal Deathflare is usually used in AoE on trash mobs and such. The Bahamut Trance/Demi is better on Single target because of the Wyrmwave + Ruin combo... so for Boss Mobs. The Phoenix trance that comes last is almost entirely AoE... or rather the best parts of it are... so Trash mobs and adds.

That would be ok EXCEPT... the normal encounter scheme in almost all instances short of 8 mans is...

Trash mobs... more Trash Mobs... then Boss Mobs...

But the Trances are out of order...

Deathflare (AoE)... Bahamut Demi + Wyrmwave (mostly single target)... Phoenix Trance (AoE multi target).. and you can't change the order you do them in.

It might SEEM out of order, but it's still better DPS to pull out Bahamut on trash than to just use Garuda the whole time. If you get two Akh Morn casts off Bahamut while he's out you're doing more potency (1,300 potency on the target enemy, 650 on every other enemy total) than you are from the 10 casts of Wind Blade (300 potency total) that Garuda would do. Additionally you can still get wyrmwave attacks off casting Outburst.

I find in most dungeons at level 80, I can enkindle Bahamut on the first pack pulls, use Firebird Trance on the second pack, and be ready to go to summon Bahamut again for the boss by the time that starts.

[Silverquick]

It might SEEM out of order, but it's still better DPS to pull out Bahamut on trash than to just use Garuda the whole time.

I'm not disputing that, and I agree with you.

Its just that often I will find myself at the last stage of mobs before a Boss Mob going... Hmm Bahamut Demi is up in my Trance Order, do I blow it now? Or... save it as an opener on the Boss Mob. And I can't change the order of the trancing.

So it ends up out of the normal flow of the instance. That's my actual point.