JUST FOR DISCUSSION: How would YOU make BLU a normal job with rotation

[linay]

You realise by definition that any optimal way to play a class is in fact a rotation, like you could have a class that picks skills on a fight by fight basis with a priority system and it'd still have a rotation unless the class was literally pure rng

Even pure RNG is still a rotation; bard comes close to that. A rotationless job system would require no synergy between abilities as well as no limitation in ability usage. Even putting a resource, like a cooldown or MP, can tempt you to use another ability, and you've got a rotation as soon as you use two or more abilities in combat.

The tab targeting game that comes close to not having a rotation for me is playing SWTOR in story mode where you can be at max level and just spam literally one offensive ability for many fights while your companion keeps you alive.

[ReiMakoto]

Even pure RNG is still a rotation; bard comes close to that. A rotationless job system would require no synergy between abilities as well as no limitation in ability usage. Even putting a resource, like a cooldown or MP, can tempt you to use another ability, and you've got a rotation as soon as you use two or more abilities in combat.

The tab targeting game that comes close to not having a rotation for me is playing SWTOR in story mode where you can be at max level and just spam literally one offensive ability for many fights while your companion keeps you alive.

Im talking like pure random though is the only way to literally not have a rotation, as it like youre basically just playing bop it the class, even spamming one skill over and over is a rotation, and bard is priority based.

[linay]

Im talking like pure random though is the only way to literally not have a rotation, as it like youre basically just playing bop it the class, even spamming one skill over and over is a rotation, and bard is priority based.

I'm not sure what you mean by "playing bop it the class." Also, you're not really rotating anything if it's the same move. That's a repetition, not a rotation. And bard is priority based, and that's due to the random factor.

[ReiMakoto]

I'm not sure what you mean by "playing bop it the class." Also, you're not really rotating anything if it's the same move. That's a repetition, not a rotation. And bard is priority based, and that's due to the random factor.

What i mean is like, imagine you have a class with 20 buttons, and every time you press one another one randomly lights up as a combo randomly, thats the only way i could see a class truley having no rotation if none of the abilities were buffs or such. Also yeah bard has a rotation, it rotates through 3 songs on a priority based roation, so despite the rng it does have a rotation so thats different. Spamming the same skill over and over I'd argue semantically is a rotation, but is still boring as heck.

[linay]

What i mean is like, imagine you have a class with 20 buttons, and every time you press one another one randomly lights up as a combo randomly, thats the only way i could see a class truley having no rotation if none of the abilities were buffs or such.

That combo is a rotation regardless of the randomness as there is now synergy between one ability and the random next ability.

Also yeah bard has a rotation, it rotates through 3 songs on a priority based roation, so despite the rng it does have a rotation so thats different. Spamming the same skill over and over I'd argue semantically is a rotation, but is still boring as heck.

Ah, I didn't mean to imply that Bard has no rotation, just that it's closest to being all about the random factor. But as I've said, randomness is not enough to make rotation disappear.