Can we have changes to the market system?

[JWag12787]

So many tears in this thread because of the suggested partial buying. Oh. My. God.

How come this is a feature in almost any other MMO and it works just fine? Must be the dumb community there, who don't realize how this is a "vewwy vewwy baaad" thing, right? It could never be an actual better version of the current market board version here. No, that's certainly not possible.

Is there a high-end market that lets you buy partial stacks of what someone lists?
SWTOR you buy what's there or bid on what's there,not a partial.
WOW (unless changed) you bought what was there or bid on what was there, not a partial.


I keep hearing this argument, but I don't recall ever seeing it in action in a player trade environment.

[aesteval]

Is there a high-end market that lets you buy partial stacks of what someone lists?
SWTOR you buy what's there or bid on what's there,not a partial.
WOW (unless changed) you bought what was there or bid on what was there, not a partial.


I keep hearing this argument, but I don't recall ever seeing it in action in a player trade environment.

Not sure if it's implemented yet, but it's been mentioned sometime over the past year as a feature that's in the works for WoW.

[Tlamila]

Is there a high-end market that lets you buy partial stacks of what someone lists?
SWTOR you buy what's there or bid on what's there,not a partial.
WOW (unless changed) you bought what was there or bid on what was there, not a partial.


I keep hearing this argument, but I don't recall ever seeing it in action in a player trade environment.

I don't know about those two games because I barely played the former and never the second, but any game i played had that function and it always worked well.
When it was introduced in Aion I was actually angry too because of the same reasoning people here say (if I sell x stack I want to sell that) but it turned out being great. In reality you sell everything much more easily when buyers can split. Very few want a full stack, with partial buying the whole stack is gone much sooner because everybody just gets their piece right away. BUT then those other games didn't have bot-dominated markets like this game does so eh.

[FirstnameLastname]

I keep hearing this argument, but I don't recall ever seeing it in action in a player trade environment.

As someone else already mentioned, AION does that. Revelation Online had the same system (the game itself was really effed-up by p2w but the market and real-money currency exchange were just ace) is another example I can give you from the top of my head. Hell, even a game as bad as Metin2 implemented such a feature somewhere down their timeline.

And although there has always been the initial cryout by people, it turned out to be a better system in every case.

[JWag12787]

Thanks for the clarification.
Now if it can be an opt in, that's fine.
If I don't want to leave an item selling as a stack and letting people get partials, that should be allowed.


EX: I'll list 99 Potions at 10gil, buy what you want.
I'll list stacks of 25 potions for 9gil each. Save 25gil for each purchase from buying separately to buy them all at once.



If it's a feature that the seller can choose to option to participate in or not, then I can be okay with it. I typically break apart larger stacks to smaller stacks because they sell better anyway, so it just seems like one of those "silly" things, but I guess it can work for sellers that may want to just keep a continued supply of product out there.

[Ryoutoshi]

1. I think I agree that the stack change would favor bots.
- Making in opt in wouldn't help because bots would always opt in.
- Because they put no effort in, all they have to do is out price anyone manually gathering and partial stacks would make sure all that mattered was the per unit cost.
- Being able to charge a decent price a decent profit margin for smaller stacks in how sellers can get around this. There is no solution for bots in your suggestion.

2. A tax on price changing/listing would only deter actual sellers.
- A bot only sells in large stacks because they are low effort profit seekers. They don't play the market or care for undercutting to stay ahead on a steady basis.
- If you know this and want this for competitive marketboard play, you first need to solve the bot issue first. There's no value in increasing the difficulty on marketboard PvP if there's a large and ever present group that gets free passes through the whole of it.

[SpecialTaskForce]

Selling in FFXIV can be very annoying, we already have limited room from retainers and the constant price battle is exhausting... so i suggest:

1- Add the option to buy only a portion of a full product stack: Ej: buying 10 from a 99 silver ore stack placed.

2- Charge a fixed fee (3-6%) for placing a product. And charge it again everytime the player change the price.

1- I really like this idea, retainers aren't cheap and they are always full in stock, I feel this will help me sell a bit more sands crystals/shards/clusters and potions.

2- Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, horrible idea, that's very unnecessary, just undercut by 1 gil and ur good

[Angus]

Market Board needs some improvements. I made this post in the General forum, so just linking it here.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...18#post5247618
I'll concede that a filter may not be necessary, but some sort of page navigation to see past the first 100 sales is needed. People are being forced to buy stacks of 99 just so they can get a few of what they need. That kind of market control can make someone quite a bit of gil.

[Jojoya]

Market Board needs some improvements. I made this post in the General forum, so just linking it here.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...18#post5247618
I'll concede that a filter may not be necessary, but some sort of page navigation to see past the first 100 sales is needed. People are being forced to buy stacks of 99 just so they can get a few of what they need. That kind of market control can make someone quite a bit of gil.

No one is forced to buy from the MB. A player could easily be asking friends if they have a few extra they're willing to sell or would be willing to go gather for the player if they don't have the right job and level to get the item themselves. I've done that multiple times for friends and FC when someone needs a few of an item but the MB only has large stacks at high prices, whether it's gather it myself or buy an item like Soot Black Dye from rep restricted vendor that sells it.

I actually applaud the person listing those Soot Black Dyes. They're making certain players have access to a dye that's frequently used, especially for Fashion Report, at cost while losing out on the opportunity to sell other things for profit. Someone can buy a stack and not have to worry about being at the mercy of the MB for that item for the next few months. If a friend also needs a few, the buyer can share so neither has to pay 5-10 times the vendor price many sellers would charge.

[DogLeg]

Making said changes wont hurt anyone or anything. The changes suggested have been in TONS of other mmo's and werent effected by bots. Letting ppl select a specific amount to buy from any stack will make sales go faster due to ppl being able to buy at an affordable price for total purchase and it wont hurt the sale price as long as youre not selling it for a OP amount in the 1st place. All the ppl here that are against it are just greedy, plain and simple, that or just wanabe fail trolls, that much is obvious. And ppl wonder why their stack of 51 of (any materia) never sells LOL.