I am so freaking bored of Shadowbringer's story

[Lersayil]

Have to agree, its quite interesting how many ways people take Alisaie.

Personally I find her attitude... cute for a lack of better word. Her obsession seems to be mainly with our strength (both of character and actual figthing strength) and not quite romantic. She's basically fangirling over the WoL. She might have a minor crush on us, but I don't think she's aware if she does. Given our relationship with the other Scions (or lack thereof), its sometimes refreshing to have someone like her around.

If anything I'm more annoyed with the writers pushing the Ga Bu thing on her for this long. While the lore consequences are interesting, I've found Ga Bu to be rather a hamfisted and boring plotpoint. Thus, making him a major motivation for a character doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth.

Plot armor is... fine? We are filling our dead npc qoutas decently well so quantity is okay. Having major characters die on a regular basis would just devalue the occasion. However the quality of plot armor could use some work... Y'sthola vs Zenos and Nanamo come to mind. Y'sthola vs Ranjit felt miles better because the Emet ex mahina made sense AND served a point besides just keeping her alive, so I guess they're improving.

Its fine to dislike the story (even if I vehemently disagree), but judging after skipping it seems... shallow?

[Tlamila]

Have to agree, its quite interesting how many ways people take Alisaie.

Personally I find her attitude... cute for a lack of better word. Her obsession seems to be mainly with our strength (both of character and actual figthing strength) and not quite romantic. She's basically fangirling over the WoL. She might have a minor crush on us, but I don't think she's aware if she does. Given our relationship with the other Scions (or lack thereof), its sometimes refreshing to have someone like her around.

If anything I'm more annoyed with the writers pushing the Ga Bu thing on her for this long. While the lore consequences are interesting, I've found Ga Bu to be rather a hamfisted and boring plotpoint. Thus, making him a major motivation for a character doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth.

Plot armor is... fine? We are filling our dead npc qoutas decently well so quantity is okay. Having major characters die on a regular basis would just devalue the occasion. However the quality of plot armor could use some work... Y'sthola vs Zenos and Nanamo come to mind. Y'sthola vs Ranjit felt miles better because the Emet ex mahina made sense AND served a point besides just keeping her alive, so I guess they're improving.

Its fine to dislike the story (even if I vehemently disagree), but judging after skipping it seems... shallow?

"Y'sthola vs Ranjit" I actually can't make sense of how she had to almost kill herself in that occasion, and only because of Emet-Selch she was saved, while Ranjit survives completely unharmed with no explaination whatsoever. Hello, I'm so cool I can fall into neverending pits without problems.

On Alisae compared to the other Scions, i think that's what makes her seem so caring, the fact that Uri - Y'sh - Tan are basically icicles, so in comparison....but then I see Alphinaud display just as much affection if not more.

[Driavna]

Have to agree, its quite interesting how many ways people take Alisaie.

Personally I find her attitude... cute for a lack of better word. Her obsession seems to be mainly with our strength (both of character and actual figthing strength) and not quite romantic. She's basically fangirling over the WoL. She might have a minor crush on us, but I don't think she's aware if she does. Given our relationship with the other Scions (or lack thereof), its sometimes refreshing to have someone like her around.

If anything I'm more annoyed with the writers pushing the Ga Bu thing on her for this long. While the lore consequences are interesting, I've found Ga Bu to be rather a hamfisted and boring plotpoint. Thus, making him a major motivation for a character doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth.

Plot armor is... fine? We are filling our dead npc qoutas decently well so quantity is okay. Having major characters die on a regular basis would just devalue the occasion. However the quality of plot armor could use some work... Y'sthola vs Zenos and Nanamo come to mind. Y'sthola vs Ranjit felt miles better because the Emet ex mahina made sense AND served a point besides just keeping her alive, so I guess they're improving.

Its fine to dislike the story (even if I vehemently disagree), but judging after skipping it seems... shallow?

I enjoy the MSQ as long as I don't think too hard about it. Once I analyze the whole plot is easy to find all the glaring faults and how bad the writing can be at times. A good example for me is the death of certain NPC at Amn Araeng, the way everything happens is forced and make everyone involved look stupid just for the sake of appealing to my emotions.

Another problem is how, despite the odds, the good guys always end with a "perfect win".

[Lersayil]

I enjoy the MSQ as long as I don't think too hard about it. Once I analyze the whole plot is easy to find all the glaring faults and how bad the writing can be at times. A good example for me is the death of certain NPC at Amn Araeng, the way everything happens is forced and make everyone involved look stupid just for the sake of appealing to my emotions.

Another problem is how, despite the odds, the good guys always end with a "perfect win".

I wouldn't call it perfect, I agree. It has its fair share of writing issues that are apparent when taking a step back, but in the end it has enough positives to counterweigh them. Given the type of medium and the competition available I'd say it still pretty well written, and even if we dont consider those, its still a well above average story for a jrpg.

As for the "perferct win", what do you mean? The victory itself and how its achieved or the aftermath? I aggree with the latter. Things turn out way too perfectly for the allied factions involved after the conflict. With the prior I sorta disagree. We lose people, we lose arguments, a paralell timeline even got obliterated because we couldn't deal with a problem without future help.

"Y'sthola vs Ranjit" I actually can't make sense of how she had to almost kill herself in that occasion, and only because of Emet-Selch she was saved, while Ranjit survives completely unharmed with no explaination whatsoever. Hello, I'm so cool I can fall into neverending pits without problems.
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That one I just hadwave away with difference between physical abilites: one being a mage and the other an inhuman level kungfu master (with a pet dragon that can fly).

[Alleo]

Have to agree, its quite interesting how many ways people take Alisaie.

Personally I find her attitude... cute for a lack of better word. Her obsession seems to be mainly with our strength (both of character and actual figthing strength) and not quite romantic. She's basically fangirling over the WoL. She might have a minor crush on us, but I don't think she's aware if she does. Given our relationship with the other Scions (or lack thereof), its sometimes refreshing to have someone like her around.

In the german version in 5.1 Ysthola really makes it sound like Alisaie and the exarch are fighting over their beloved WoL and both of them react a bit embarrassed. Then all her reactions when someone like Feo Ul interacted with us. That really screamed jealousy to me. Yoshida I think also mentioned that we can look at her that way too so its kinda done on purpose. (So one can see her as just a friend and another can see her being in love with us) Overall I was fine with it until 5.1 where it was way overdone imo. I mean one could even interpret Lyses behaviour as being smitten with us (if one wants too) but it was at least imo way more subtle written. I really hope that it wont be a theme with her because I believe that she deserves more than that.

About plot armor. I agree, I do believe its fine that major NPCs have some plot armor. But Ysthola is just way too much. I just wish that they would have written that a bit different if they wanted her to survive it all. But yeah better no death than too many. You can write a sad emotional story without death quite good..heck death is a imo often cheap way to introduce some drama..but with the downside of taking out a NPC who could still be developed and often with the need to fill it gap..so you introduce another new NPC that has no built up character at that point.