Bring back 24 man PvP please

[GetFoesReqd]

This morning's wait time: 133 minutes and 39 seconds before I withdrew for obvious reasons. Bring back 24's for early mornings please. At least then its only a half hour and not a statistical impossibility.

[EnigmaticDodo]

This morning's wait time: 133 minutes and 39 seconds before I withdrew for obvious reasons. Bring back 24's for early mornings please. At least then its only a half hour and not a statistical impossibility.

Not to say that this is the better alternative, but have you tried to queue for The Feast in that same time frame?

I want smaller matches to return as well, but just curious on that.

[RyuSaarva]

This morning's wait time: 133 minutes and 39 seconds before I withdrew for obvious reasons. Bring back 24's for early mornings please. At least then its only a half hour and not a statistical impossibility.

that is normal for pvp when there are no special events going on.

[Enla]

that is normal for pvp when there are no special events going on.

That's a pretty big indictment that PVP is broken and something needs to be fixed however, if that's how long a 'normal' match takes on your data center. Also that's really not normal for Crystal at all or at least it wasn't before. When no special events are going on here the worst wait was around 40 minutes before the roll back to 24x24x24 being the only way to experience Frontlines. I haven't seen two hour plus queues since the 8v8v8 change was implemented way back when. Not even off peak hours.

[Nalien]

that is normal for pvp when there are no special events going on.

Except it isn't? There were plenty of 24m pops during early/late hours prior to any events. Was my favorite time to queue precisely because 24m was more enjoyable than 72m, and it also didn't line up with any PvE schedules. Ever since they sorted out the queue issues with Freelancer and rotating the maps daily, Frontlines didn't really have any queue issues, unless you were queuing at some absurd hour like 3am. Any reasonable early/late hour it was still popping. Prime time during new content releases (so majority off doing new Trial/Raid/etc) or Tuesday reset 24m could also pop.

Now what do we have? Absolutely no pops until prime time, and if there is anything else going on (Rival Wings community day being another thing that takes a large sum of PvPers away from Frontlines) then the queue dies even in prime time. Even if it's active, say 96 people are in queue? 24 of them are now waiting for a match to end so they can get into the next 72m pop, rather than just having a 24m pop alongside the existing pop.

Removing 24m did absolutely nothing good for Frontlines. All it did was make matters worse, and saying "We'll that's just how it usually is" is a complete lie. Even if it wasn't, and queues were terrible outside events... Why remove 24m then? All it does it make things worse. There was no good reason for removing 24m. "It's hard to get pops outside events, so lets make it harder!", it's an absolutely absurd route for SE to have taken.

[Deceptus]

Except it isn't? . . .
Removing 24m did absolutely nothing good for Frontlines. All it did was make matters worse, and saying "We'll that's just how it usually is" is a complete lie. Even if it wasn't, and queues were terrible outside events... Why remove 24m then? All it does it make things worse. There was no good reason for removing 24m. "It's hard to get pops outside events, so lets make it harder!", it's an absolutely absurd route for SE to have taken.

This is 100% my stance on the issue. Removing 24 man did NOTHING to improve the game, it only hurt it and SE is too prideful to admit they messed up.

Which is sad seeing as how this is a company who had to swallow their pride before.

[RyuSaarva]

Except it isn't? There were plenty of 24m pops during early/late hours prior to any events. Was my favorite time to queue precisely because 24m was more enjoyable than 72m, and it also didn't line up with any PvE schedules. Ever since they sorted out the queue issues with Freelancer and rotating the maps daily, Frontlines didn't really have any queue issues, unless you were queuing at some absurd hour like 3am. Any reasonable early/late hour it was still popping. Prime time during new content releases (so majority off doing new Trial/Raid/etc) or Tuesday reset 24m could also pop.

Now what do we have? Absolutely no pops until prime time, and if there is anything else going on (Rival Wings community day being another thing that takes a large sum of PvPers away from Frontlines) then the queue dies even in prime time. Even if it's active, say 96 people are in queue? 24 of them are now waiting for a match to end so they can get into the next 72m pop, rather than just having a 24m pop alongside the existing pop.

Removing 24m did absolutely nothing good for Frontlines. All it did was make matters worse, and saying "We'll that's just how it usually is" is a complete lie. Even if it wasn't, and queues were terrible outside events... Why remove 24m then? All it does it make things worse. There was no good reason for removing 24m. "It's hard to get pops outside events, so lets make it harder!", it's an absolutely absurd route for SE to have taken.

depends if you play on the correct server for your timezone, europeans are sleeping late night and early morning so you cannot get frontline pops unless you wait a very long time.

[Strywin]

depends if you play on the correct server for your timezone, europeans are sleeping late night and early morning so you cannot get frontline pops unless you wait a very long time.

Yeah which is a bad design, people having to wait until a certain time to pvp. I haven't had the chance to pvp for almost 2 weeks now because I hardly play during prime time cause reasons, and I will only wait 25 minutes to get into a match; after that I just stop queuing for the day because I don't want to possibly waste my time like others already have with 100+ minute queues.

[Kisshu]

depends if you play on the correct server for your timezone, europeans are sleeping late night and early morning so you cannot get frontline pops unless you wait a very long time.

Before these changes it wasn't uncommon to get 15 min queues during morning/midday on Chaos DC in EU times.

[RyuSaarva]

Before these changes it wasn't uncommon to get 15 min queues during morning/midday on Chaos DC in EU times.

getting a pop in 15 minutes even in prime time is pretty good when there are no events/new content going on, are you comparing current times to moogle event insta pops?