[Suggestion] Remove the role restrictions on the YoRHa gear?

[Tsalmaveth]

I never said that! I just said I could understand there being a restriction!

Also looked them up and they seem to be wearing light garments.

But follow your dreams! https://youtu.be/O6EEyEzdw1g

Might I suggest mixing the legacy warrior chest piece with the Crystarium guard gloves!

That video had me laughing so hard... His stuff is fantastic. XD I enjoy when he puts makeup on the armour, personally. So aces on the use of this particular youtuber. XD

I rebelled at the 'restriction' comment because there 'SHOULD BE NO RESTRICTIONS ON GLAMOUR'. That's the POINT. Glamour should not be restricted. (Outside of, I'll grant, the Class Artifact Sets. Let those stay Iconic To The Class.) I did some more research after I made my comment and I was thinking of the dance scene from 'Bajirao Mastani' and the chainmail breastplate(s) forgetting that the rest of their garb is cloth while also thinking of DnD/tabletop books where more fantasy garb is used. (Whoops) But still, I have ideas and will be poking around looking at/for gear to see what I can make for my dancer just for funsies anyway. I like a good challenge.

Let people be inspired and challenged... and have more freedom to create in any class they are in/want to play. That's all. It shouldn't even be an argument. With people already tanking/healing/dpsing in bikinis, frogsuits, wedding dresses, rebel coats... etc the idea of 'muh immersion' and 'iconic sets' should really just be null. Please... let people be free.

[Brandedblade]

While the yorha raid is the first time I've ever been upset that the healer set is NOT a lighter recolor of the caster set. I've more or less come to accept it, after all it makes for a nice glamour for my rdm.

[Gemina]

Well some of us actually suck at certain job/role.
For instance, I'm probably the worst tank player in the history of MMO.
Can keep the agro but never understood how to use my CD properly no matter how many times I tried or how many times people has tried to explain it to me. And god knows I tried so....basically, to be abble to use that glam, I would have to ruin my team mates experience by being carried on on one of the most important role for more than 30 lvls out of selfishness....
Does not seems nice imho oO

What kind of defeatist excuse is that? The idea is if you want it, then you have to earn it. If you can't do the diligence, then you don't deserve to wear the tank gear. Very much like the tank mounts, which by themselves don't mean you're the best tank out there, but having one or more definitely says you've done some tanking.

I have anxiety too. Hasn't stopped me from queuing up as a tank because you deal with anxiety by facing it. Every awesome tank in this game did not start out that way. They have countless hours of tanking under their belt. The ones that grab that role by the horns and own it are the ones that deserve to wear the fending gear, and use it for cross-class glamours if it was a thing. If this system was in place, I can almost guarantee that you wouldn't be able to role greed on anything other than gear that pertain to the role you queued up as. SE wants players to level and utilize multiple jobs, that is the reason why in the system we have now, you can obtain pieces of gear that your current class can't wear in duties.

Anxiety isn't in any formula the devs use when trying to figure out how to give incentive to the jobs they create. You get good at something through practice and repetition, and this also has a nice affect on anxiety too by totally eliminating it, which in turn allows you to perform much better.

[Alleo]

I have every job on lvl 80 and yet I too want the role restrictions to be removed. I dont care if I could glamour it to the other job if I want that glamour for another. There are also a lot of other restricted gear that I really love to use on other jobs too especially the stuff that you can get for gatherers and crafters.

Sometimes (especially with crafters where I love the whole set) I will glamour it all but a lot of times I like to match up different kind of glamours into one new set which is then mostly restricted to using lvl 1 glamour gear..

And I am too confused why removing the restrictions would give us less option? Would you also say that having a school wearing a school uniform gives better options than every person being able to choose their own clothes? Sure you will have those that will wear what is expensive or modern but you will also have enough people that will just wear what they will find great which can be quite different to the rest. So really can someone truly explain why this would give us less options?

[Gemina]

And I am too confused why removing the restrictions would give us less option? Would you also say that having a school wearing a school uniform gives better options than every person being able to choose their own clothes? Sure you will have those that will wear what is expensive or modern but you will also have enough people that will just wear what they will find great which can be quite different to the rest. So really can someone truly explain why this would give us less options?

As far as I can tell, no one is saying that removing restrictions reduces your options. This is mathematically impossible. Those who are for the restrictions being in place are saying that more options =/= more diversity. If that is the angle of your argument, then it is not a good one. They are also repeating over and over again that removing restrictions would take a ton of dev time, and would much rather have more options come by that time going towards creating new sets of gear.

The YoHRa gear you're all in love with wouldn't even be possible if the devs are fiddling around with restriction removal on gear that is already in the game. IOW: Less time spent on milking old content equals More time spent on the new. If you truly want more options and more diversity, then pushing for restriction removal at this point in the game doesn't even make much sense.

[Raikai]

As far as I can tell, no one is saying that removing restrictions reduces your options. This is mathematically impossible. Those who are for the restrictions being in place are saying that more options =/= more diversity. If that is the angle of your argument, then it is not a good one. They are also repeating over and over again that removing restrictions would take a ton of dev time, and would much rather have more options come by that time going towards creating new sets of gear.

The YoHRa gear you're all in love with wouldn't even be possible if the devs are fiddling around with restriction removal on gear that is already in the game. IOW: Less time spent on milking old content equals More time spent on the new. If you truly want more options and more diversity, then pushing for restriction removal at this point in the game doesn't even make much sense.

YohRa gear wasn't already there, it needed time to be designed and modeled after every race and gender.

Restriction removal and even Replica creating already count on existing models... I'm not sure if I'm following your logic on time allocation.

[Nandrolone]

This whole “job identity” doesn’t really hold up as an argument, considering many job specific outfits are now glam on the marketboard as level 1 items. It’s rather a silly argument too, since the NieR content is supposed to be fun for everyone, not boring and restricted. I support this thread and I suspect we will see these job restricted outfits as level 1 glamour during 5.5. If we’re lucky, 5.2.

[Rasikko]

Well some of us actually suck at certain job/role.
For instance, I'm probably the worst tank player in the history of MMO.
Can keep the agro but never understood how to use my CD properly no matter how many times I tried or how many times people has tried to explain it to me. And god knows I tried so....basically, to be abble to use that glam, I would have to ruin my team mates experience by being carried on on one of the most important role for more than 30 lvls out of selfishness....
Does not seems nice imho oO

It is not as difficult or complex as it appears, and it may just be that tank anxiety is making you think otherwise, but trust me, it's not:

Small pulls = no CDs or maybe rampart if the mobs are big mobs(they always hit hard). Generally though you don't waste them on 3 mob pulls, unless the DPS is poor and the fight drags on.
Big pulls = strong CD(sentinel, etc) -> weaker(rampart, etc) -> hope for the best, or use "I wont die" CD
Tankbusters = strong CD if available, or weaker one, anything you have that can gimp the incoming damage in some way. TBs from what I've seen tend to come after 2 auto-attacks, or their "THIS WILL SURELY WIPE YALL" AOE attacks. Some of them are not telegraphed and just come out of nowhere.
Important thing to know about CD is they are not additive. Rampart and Sentinel for example is not 50%.

Absolute 2 best places I can think of for practice is Brayflox Longstop Hard, and Doma Castle(all the pulls hit stupidly hard, especially the one before the second boss).

Although tanking in a raid might be a little annoying/awkward since you can never know what kind of people the other two tanks are..

So there's your basic tank 101, now go try and get your tank top(no pun intended).

[Avidria]

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Does anyone actually know how much dev time it would take? Do they even know for sure the people designing/making new gear would be the same people unlocking restrictions on what already exists? It seems like the latter would more be a change to how gear registers who can wear it - they wouldn't necessarily be creating new assets to do that as far as I'm aware. I mean I personally have no idea what that would take, and I haven't seen a post from the devs on it either (unless I missed them commenting on this somewhere). So as far as I know, it could be a Herculean effort, or it could be relatively easy once the decision is made. On what basis are you arguing that new sets couldn't be added if they decided to free up the old?

On a smaller scale, for this thread the ask seems to be for one set - and they've added lookalike glamour gear for different classes plenty of times before. There's already precedent for that.

[Arrius]

The homogeneity argument really falls flat when all the YoRHa gear pretty much looks all the same anyways... as for why you'd want them unlocked, what's the point in having them locked? What sort of gain do you get outside of 'teehee I can use this on my favorite job and you can't'?

Right now, for YoRHa gear?
Because it's equipment that people still can use for gearing up.
I'd feel bad for those poor healers who could use that chest, only to be outrolled by some ninja because they could use it as some glam.

Maybe, in the future, once the raids are being finished and regular tomes provide a better bonus, then we can talk about unrestricted replica gear.