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    It's really telling when pre-50 and ShB content are just as "entertaining".

    Between spamming 1 and using ED alone to keep the tank alive, and spamming 3 and using 4 CDs to keep the tank alive, there's not much difference.
    I stopped at lv 78, it's a lot more fun to farm raids with my RDM instead.

    I've been a healer in pretty much every online game where I could be one, and FFXIV is the first game that actively made me want to quit.
    Maybe I'll change my mind in 6.0, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    The encounters are designed in a way to prevent players from catching up to their mistakes. A huge chunk of the mechanics involve instant death in some way. That's what makes encounters complicated. The problem is no amount of healing can solve those prevalent mechanics nor is it meant to. The mistake is bound to either kill the player or simply kill the party. So from time to time SE puts some scripted "heal checks" where healers need to keep the party from dying from unavoidable damage.

    Those moments are an exception rather than a rule.
    What is a "heal check"?
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  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by LariaKirin View Post
    What is a "heal check"?
    A given output of damage in a reduced time frame. Meaning it checks that party members have been healed in between.
    The one I remember best is Kefka where it would bring HP to 1, make people unable, an only give a few seconds to top people up before a raid wide.
    White hole in ExDeath is arguably a heal check too, you had to Max everyone quickly, after a mechanic where people were running around.
    Maybe the adds you had to heal to full during Shinryu Ext too.

    I don't see strict healing checks in Eden, more like continued healing requirements... maybe the flares into share on Voidwalker... I haven't tried Titan though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    A given output of damage in a reduced time frame. Meaning it checks that party members have been healed in between.
    The one I remember best is Kefka where it would bring HP to 1, make people unable, an only give a few seconds to top people up before a raid wide.
    White hole in ExDeath is arguably a heal check too, you had to Max everyone quickly, after a mechanic where people were running around.
    Maybe the adds you had to heal to full during Shinryu Ext too.

    I don't see strict healing checks in Eden, more like continued healing requirements... maybe the flares into share on Voidwalker... I haven't tried Titan though.
    Titan's heal check is right at the end with his spamming Tumults spam, voice of the land, Tumult spam, voice of the land, Tumult spam, voice of the land, enrage, but all this could be bypassed if have high enough dps in group to kill before that part.
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  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    A given output of damage in a reduced time frame. Meaning it checks that party members have been healed in between.
    The one I remember best is Kefka where it would bring HP to 1, make people unable, an only give a few seconds to top people up before a raid wide.
    White hole in ExDeath is arguably a heal check too, you had to Max everyone quickly, after a mechanic where people were running around.
    Maybe the adds you had to heal to full during Shinryu Ext too.

    I don't see strict healing checks in Eden, more like continued healing requirements... maybe the flares into share on Voidwalker... I haven't tried Titan though.
    How much damage is a given output of damage?
    What is the time frame? 4 seconds? 5 seconds? 6 seconds?
    At what point does this stop being completely arbitrary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LariaKirin View Post
    At what point does this stop being completely arbitrary?
    You got it : it doesn't. One could argue that it's just... healing. Just like a DPS check is just... DPS.
    I don't know if you could consider gear gating too, as some very specific raid damage hit higher than HP pools so you simply need shields (Morn Afah, O12S enrage?) and mitigation.

    Regardless of all of this, it boils down to "not letting people die", with some moment more intense than some other.
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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by LariaKirin View Post
    How much damage is a given output of damage?
    What is the time frame? 4 seconds? 5 seconds? 6 seconds?
    At what point does this stop being completely arbitrary?
    Doom or White hole debuffs for example, you have 10 seconds top everybody who got the effects off or else they will be instantly killed/petrified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Doom or White hole debuffs for example, you have 10 seconds top everybody who got the effects off or else they will be instantly killed/petrified.
    In Titan, is the combination of Pulse/Force/Weight of the Land into Earthen Fury during Uplift a heal check?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LariaKirin View Post
    In Titan, is the combination of Pulse/Force/Weight of the Land into Earthen Fury during Uplift a heal check?
    I wouldnt say it really is a hard one. You just need to pop on OGCD and then mitigate or heal after fury. Rarely have had issues with that unless people do something real dumb before hand.

    The only real hard heal checks are in p3 with the spam of voice/tumults and a bit during the merry go round with everyone having a dot, tanks getting trucked and everyone moving/spread out, but it's not the worst thing.

    I miss the everyone hits 1 hp heal them mechanics. Hopefully we see them soon.

    ---

    And more on topic to the thread, I still love healing atm. I personally enjoy the "how low can people drop/little can I heal to do more dps". Finding the parts in the fight where I can let people sit at low health while things come off cd etc.

    But that's just me. Would be interesting to do more than broil/glare spam, but I'm not looking to get into an ultra complex dps rotation as a healer. If I want a deeper dps rotation I just play an alt job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiun View Post
    But that's just me. Would be interesting to do more than broil/glare spam, but I'm not looking to get into an ultra complex dps rotation as a healer. If I want a deeper dps rotation I just play an alt job.
    I think most people aren't asking for healers to have DPS style rotations but definitely something more than Bio,broil ad ifintium.

    When i can say if you strip nin to only having ninjutsu, no ninki, no other gcd, no role actions just Ten, Chi, Jin and ninjutsu, and it would still be more interesting than any healers downtime/solo experience currently then i think there is a bit of a problem on the engagement factor.
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